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When, uh...� 

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I started reading stories in the New
Yorker, Atlantic Monthly and Harper's Bazaar� 

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By the way, I think the Atlantic
closed recently, and

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Read all these stories
innocently well written

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little agonies and I said:

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"This is not bullshit, they write
about anything.�These are... 

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small and influential people with
little education, writing delicate things

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but they don't write about anything."
I knew it.� 

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So... I was trying to write.�
Finally I came across

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Story Magazine. then
I knew I wasn't ready yet.� 

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I knew I hadn't lived long enough,
even when he was already screwed and beaten.

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So...� 

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I met this woman agent,
She wrote me letters, she said...

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I lived in Greenwich Village,� 
at that moment...� 

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or before Greenwich Village.
I landed in New York,� 

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I put my finger on a map and said...� 
Unfortunately I landed in New York.� 

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She sent me this kind 
small note� Kind and

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snobbish little note,
from some agency.

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"Dear Charles Bukowski, I
I loved your story in Story Magazine.

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I want to be your agent. Would you like
dine with me" and so on

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Well Barbet, you've already heard this 
Before, I told it when I was drinking,

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but it's true, the same truth.

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So I replied:
"Dear Madam, I'm not ready yet."

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And that was it. I knew...

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If he had been my agent,� 
I would have gone drinking with her,

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I would have sent some kind of shit,�
but she would have urged me to

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some kind of nonsense, some kind of shit
written for which I was not prepared.� 

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So I left town,
and I walked around

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On the way.� 

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I like Kerouac. He walked in the
road filling up

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I walked on the path, because
There was nowhere to go.� 

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I moved there because
everything was bad

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I never had a place to go, where
stay, have a chance.

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I didn't expect an opportunity,� 

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I didn't even want a chance.�
All I wanted was

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a small room somewhere,� 
a bottle of wine and start drinking.� 

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Maybe find a job 
a week, enough to drink

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3 or 4 days and nights to be free,� 
away from work and stuff.� 

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Then go back and try� 
do what I had to do.� 

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There wasn't much to do.� 

41
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So I got a new job,� 
Where was I with these guys?

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interested in their jobs,
you know� 

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 �Oh, yes�! �You know.� 
I never had that�

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I used to choose where I went,
opened a map,

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I closed my eyes
and he dropped his finger.� 

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I would say: St. Louis,� 
New Orleans, Savannah.� 

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I bought a bus ticket and 
I went there and always arrived in the city.

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with very little in my pocket.� 
The first thing you should do

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is to find a guest house 
or something that says: "Room for rent."� 

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Then you are with the landlady,
and you must act with dignity.

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And you walk in, and you say something like,
you know� 

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"I'm looking for a room..."
You act like an idiot, you know.

53
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"Oh, it's $4.50 a week."� 

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"What are you doing?"

55
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"Well, uh...� 

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I am a journalist and
a freelance writer and � 

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I'm waiting for something

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I still haven't been able to give one
direction and �"

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Yes, I'm a writer. "Oh, are you 
writing?" I say, "Yes."

60
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So you climb the ladder,
you follow his ass.� 

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One had a beautiful ass,� 
I followed her and said:

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"If I could make her fall in love."

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Pretend to be a writer and fuck her
and cook for me.�

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I would never have to write,� 
just pretend.� 

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Things like that.� 

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All through Thurber's eye� 
I think it's good if it's paint.

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I think Thurber is one of the least
recognized geniuses of our time.� 

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I don't like that assessment.
One of the least recognized

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one of the least recognized...� 

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You always want to use those
words, but he is ashamed.

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James Thurber

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He was so ahead of his time,� 

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They have forgotten him and are going to
recognize it in about... 75 years.

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That guy really knew
the man-woman relationship.

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He must have lived with a woman and 
have stooped and still live with her.� 

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So excellent.� 

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When did you read Thurber? �When� 
were you in Texas on the park bench?

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No, no. I was reading
the Kenyon Review...and all that.� 

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I read Thurber somewhere.
I don't know,

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in some cheap room, some 
cheap place�in a cheap town.� 

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Are there things like cheap cities?

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When you're starving, you like it
read the snobs, you know

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Kenyon Review, Goss, and all that.� 
Those were the kids on the park bench.� 

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I was on the park bench in El
I step, covered in dust,

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I shook it off a little, and went to the
bookstore, and they looked at me

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A very small bookstore. There it was.

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In El Paso.� 

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It's very gloomy,� 
you get up at 10 in the morning,

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you shake off the dust and the bookshelf

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like he looks at you, 
but you sit at a table,� 

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you choose a book and you are 
almost as she is.

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And that was the first place 
where I wrote

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Le��

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Dosty...how do you pronounce that?
Dostoevsky? - Dostoevsky.

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Dostoevsky, his
"Memories from the underground".

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Which is a powerful damn book.

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When I read that I said to myself:
If I could write something like this� 

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If I could write like this,
I would be close to something, you know

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That's all.

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 �You were always a writer,
did you always want to be?

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Yes, but...

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He opened the Atlantic Monthly,
what

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He already died, 2 or 3 months ago

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and I opened it, read the stories,

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They were nothing more than milk and honey.�
They had a sudden flash sometimes.

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A decent line or two 
and that was it. It was a trick.

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I told myself I didn't have a chance.
I could just have...

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a job here and there and drinking,
and wait for death.� 

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I told myself, I don't want to live
with a woman, have a family.� 

111
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I said, I'm going to walk from town to town,� 
get a job, drink and die.� 

112
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But you took books with you

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I took them to my room and...� 

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A landlady told me: "You are
waking everyone downstairs."

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I said, "How is that?"

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Because I was drinking, she said:
"You should read a lot of books."

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So I said, "Why?"
She said, "'Cause every night

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you are going to bed and while you are
in bed we all listen

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Pop! Pop! Pop!

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Your books fall to the ground, one
for one, and you have everyone awake. "� 

121
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I said, "Oh, I'm sorry."� 

122
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And I drank and read
at the same time.� 

123
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You already wrote rejected stories
through the magazines. - Manuscripts.

124
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Because I had a machine 
to write,

125
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but they didn't last long because
He pawned them so he could drink.

126
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Not for rent, but for
go to the bar or buy a bottle.� 

127
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So, I wrote by hand 
all my stories and

128
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I wrote, you know, my jokes,

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5 or 6 letters a week, and on those days� 
I wrote 5 or 6 stories a week.

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They were short,

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handwritten and got
stamps,

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I put them in return envelopes,
and they came back.

133
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To the Atlantic Monthly and all that.� 

134
00:11:41,019 --> 00:11:43,472
I spoke to John Martin about this.� 

135
00:11:43,572 --> 00:11:46,939
He said, "What happened to those
stories?", I said: "I threw them away."

136
00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:48,127
He said, "Ouch!"

137
00:11:50,164 --> 00:11:54,977
Why? Why did you throw them away? 
- Maybe he thought they were good.

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I knew there was no chance...� 

139
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When you opened the Atlantic
Monthly, the first line said:

140
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"It was a warm spring day. 
Mrs. McGillicuty's daughter walked� 

141
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along Central Avenue and
the rain was starting to... "� 

142
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I was trying to write my kind of stuff� 
when that kind of thing was printed.� 

143
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No? That's why I gave up. 
and I started drinking.� 

144
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I thought it was because they were
in a suitcase, very heavy to carry and� 

145
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Shit no. After writing
You kind of lose interest in it.

146
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Like, even "Barfly," forgive me.

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Anything you write loses
importance and move on to the next thing.

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If it is not published,� 
you discard it more easily.� 

149
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You're always looking for the next thing,
the next, the next.

150
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You wrote some stories in pieces
of newspapers or wax paper� 

151
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Something.�I only had newspapers,� 
in an ugly shack in Atlanta.� 

152
00:13:03,794 --> 00:13:07,583
It's a common thing for writers.
I had nothing else to do,� 

153
00:13:07,683 --> 00:13:12,696
So I found a pencil,
and wrote on the edge of the newspapers.� 

154
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Because I'm like a spider 
runs through its web, with nothing else to do.� 

155
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Very unfortunate.� 

156
00:13:20,927 --> 00:13:26,222
He lived in this little shack in Atlanta.
for what it was, a dollar and a half a week.� 

157
00:13:26,950 --> 00:13:31,573
He wrote with a pencil on the edges
of newspapers found on the ground.� 

158
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Talk about a natural writer.� 
What the hell!

159
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It was just there.� 

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It's quite unfortunate� 
but it is quite automatic.�

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It's a nice thing, too. It's what
You have to do it and you do it, whatever.

162
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It wasn't for long.� 

163
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And...� 

164
00:14:25,180 --> 00:14:28,916
It wasn't for six months or
something like that�.�Actually, they were...� 

165
00:14:30,395 --> 00:14:32,358
Probably two or three nights.� 

166
00:14:34,458 --> 00:14:38,622
In fact, they were moments
sporadic We had gone out on a yacht,

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two or three nights later
We came back.�A week later� 

168
00:14:43,762 --> 00:14:46,232
we went out on the boat again.�And...� 

169
00:14:46,501 --> 00:14:47,973
There were these cheap whores.� 

170
00:14:48,073 --> 00:14:52,612
The guy had a lot of money and no
He knew how to evaluate a good woman.�

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00:14:53,049 --> 00:14:58,131
I chose these cheap whores from the
Alvarado Street and took them to his yacht.

172
00:14:58,685 --> 00:15:02,389
And one of the cheap whores was
my girlfriend who I lived with.

173
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It was the least cheap. She didn't have
sex, or so he said.

174
00:15:09,081 --> 00:15:12,643
He only said he had sex
to get drunk, but I don't know.

175
00:15:13,176 --> 00:15:16,088
I guess he did it because
I didn't even have a fucking ticket.

176
00:15:17,371 --> 00:15:21,186
Anyway, I had a fucking
lower class that did not know how to sell itself,

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and he had sometimes us
we woke up

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trying to go to Catalina 
and he had an arm

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00:15:29,756 --> 00:15:34,869
I'm not going to say his name... but� 
His boat was called The Wilcam.� 

180
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It was nice out there.
There was a lot of drinking and...� 

181
00:15:40,564 --> 00:15:44,838
There were three women, he fucked me
his three wives including mine.� 

182
00:15:46,147 --> 00:15:51,419
It was kind of weird for a poor guy.
be on this nice yacht, you know

183
00:15:53,065 --> 00:15:57,343
My kind of mind always accepts
everything that happens, you know.� 

184
00:15:59,164 --> 00:16:02,710
I accept it, so it wasn't
strange to me, it was just...

185
00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,885
something that had to happen.� 

186
00:16:05,783 --> 00:16:10,817
How to marry a millionaire
later, what happened.�I accept it.� 

187
00:16:12,384 --> 00:16:14,674
So, it's just... Nothing.

188
00:16:14,921 --> 00:16:17,976
The ship was there, you know.� 
And it happened�.� 

189
00:16:18,974 --> 00:16:22,251
It was something nice, it was cold 
there at night.� 

190
00:16:23,661 --> 00:16:27,271
He dropped anchor and got drunk.
I couldn't navigate.

191
00:16:28,078 --> 00:16:29,629
He had three women.

192
00:16:31,117 --> 00:16:34,721
And they told me: 
"Oh, I'm cold, Hank."

193
00:16:35,570 --> 00:16:39,480
It was like someone came and 
He piled on me and fucked me.

194
00:16:39,580 --> 00:16:41,610
The other one was approaching
and he piled up and fucked me.

195
00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:44,666
And the third one came and piled up
and he tried to fuck her but he couldn't.

196
00:16:44,766 --> 00:16:48,402
They all wanted, you know,
get into the bunk with me.�"I'm cold."� 

197
00:16:49,645 --> 00:16:53,718
I think lesbianism was not so
rampant or open in those days� 

198
00:16:53,818 --> 00:16:57,992
or they would have shared a bunk 
leaving me alone

199
00:16:58,990 --> 00:17:01,523
That would have been fine anyway� 

200
00:17:01,856 --> 00:17:04,373
Yes, that happened. It was strange.

201
00:17:06,035 --> 00:17:09,091
Anything that means getting away from
Factories help, you know.

202
00:17:43,971 --> 00:17:45,316
Yes, you mention

203
00:17:46,076 --> 00:17:48,973
to Henry Miller from time to time.� 
How do you feel about him? 

204
00:17:49,908 --> 00:17:51,951
Not too much, huh...� 

205
00:17:56,534 --> 00:17:58,640
Actually, I've been unlucky� 

206
00:17:59,241 --> 00:18:03,152
reading Henry Miller.�
I think I read the worst about him.

207
00:18:05,966 --> 00:18:08,784
Once traveling through Texas...� 

208
00:18:10,811 --> 00:18:16,442
I fell somewhere and there was one of his
books. I started reading and fell asleep.

209
00:18:18,405 --> 00:18:20,910
Many people have told me:

210
00:18:21,010 --> 00:18:26,277
"You and Henry Miller have something going on. 
common, you must like it", but

211
00:18:28,071 --> 00:18:29,037
For me...

212
00:18:31,407 --> 00:18:35,840
That sounds like a hit.� 
I couldn't digest it.

213
00:18:42,467 --> 00:18:48,483
I think it was a lot of
stars and philosophy.

214
00:18:49,681 --> 00:18:55,032
I liked his direct thing,
of the little I read. When he said:

215
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"Joe had a big cock.
Joe put his cock in María.

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00:19:00,276 --> 00:19:04,683
And they fucked. "Joe had a big cock."
I liked that, I could understand it.

217
00:19:04,921 --> 00:19:08,182
When he messed with 
Aries and Pisces and � 

218
00:19:09,111 --> 00:19:14,842
all those ultra-mind trips.� 
I don't have any mind.

219
00:19:15,348 --> 00:19:16,884
That's why I left it there.� 

220
00:19:22,452 --> 00:19:24,874
Celine, Hemingway,

221
00:19:24,974 --> 00:19:26,394
Two Passes.

222
00:19:27,496 --> 00:19:30,346
Good tough guys.
I stayed close to the ground.� 

223
00:19:35,318 --> 00:19:40,526
The secret is in writing
one simple line after another.� 

224
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,386
Gertrude Stein discovered it.

225
00:19:47,132 --> 00:19:48,541
She said:

226
00:19:48,984 --> 00:19:53,195
"A rose is a pink rose."
We know the old saying.

227
00:19:53,792 --> 00:19:56,372
Gerties' problem was...�

228
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,728
that I could only write
two or three lines.� 

229
00:20:00,884 --> 00:20:03,084
Then Hemingway arrived

230
00:20:03,538 --> 00:20:08,699
and he could write two or three thousand
lines, or 230 thousand lines.

231
00:20:10,768 --> 00:20:12,572
Then it got boring.� 

232
00:20:14,377 --> 00:20:17,559
But the secret is on the line.� 

233
00:20:19,570 --> 00:20:21,675
The secret is also...� 

234
00:20:22,176 --> 00:20:27,305
in containment and enjoyment
and the energy on the line.� 

235
00:20:30,308 --> 00:20:32,509
What I have tried to do

236
00:20:33,934 --> 00:20:38,271
is to stay within the 
simple line and also

237
00:20:38,979 --> 00:20:41,781
give him a sense of humor, like� 

238
00:20:42,446 --> 00:20:45,596
girls from a dance choir,
raising his legs� 

239
00:20:45,696 --> 00:20:49,063
and showing their pussies a little
but not too much, you know.� 

240
00:20:49,163 --> 00:20:51,511
Up and down.�And...� 

241
00:20:51,875 --> 00:20:54,994
They jump off the stage� 
and here comes a new group.

242
00:20:55,891 --> 00:20:59,153
I try to use a simple line

243
00:20:59,485 --> 00:21:01,116
and also inject

244
00:21:02,509 --> 00:21:04,773
a laugh through art.� 

245
00:21:05,827 --> 00:21:10,355
Laughter through creation.� 
Creation is not so serious.

246
00:21:11,907 --> 00:21:15,010
Creation cannot 
be so serious,

247
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:17,569
sterile, or we go to sleep.� 

248
00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:22,192
I'm falling asleep now� 
talking about what should be.� 

249
00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:55,527
The only thing, the only thing
from this movie is that

250
00:21:56,176 --> 00:21:59,469
tragic, known, 
crazy face

251
00:22:01,447 --> 00:22:06,001
If I saw him anywhere I would say: "What?"
Does that guy have to say? I want to hear it.

252
00:22:06,580 --> 00:22:08,385
"He must know something."

253
00:22:10,318 --> 00:22:12,962
Well, unfortunately, he knows.

254
00:22:14,830 --> 00:22:16,888
Nobody 18, 19...

255
00:22:17,410 --> 00:22:22,392
Everyone has a job. Your
his 8 fucking hours a day.

256
00:22:23,593 --> 00:22:28,579
Everyone does it. You know,
or you are a chemist, a doctor.� 

257
00:22:28,830 --> 00:22:31,568
A lawyer, an employee
of shipments.

258
00:22:32,566 --> 00:22:34,481
A film director...� 

259
00:22:35,083 --> 00:22:36,761
you are a

260
00:22:37,611 --> 00:22:39,036
cameraman.� 

261
00:22:39,716 --> 00:22:44,007
You're doing something stupid,� 
over and over and over again.� 

262
00:22:45,204 --> 00:22:49,051
You are trapped in the structure
than you are supposed to be,�

263
00:22:49,151 --> 00:22:50,951
and you have no other option.� 

264
00:22:51,051 --> 00:22:55,209
You are molded and cast
in what you are supposed to be.� 

265
00:22:55,632 --> 00:22:57,025
I didn't like that.� 

266
00:23:00,144 --> 00:23:02,471
I didn't like him 
8 hour work.� 

267
00:23:02,803 --> 00:23:06,297
Not even 4 hour work,� 
even though I couldn't get one.� 

268
00:23:07,991 --> 00:23:09,495
So I decided...� 

269
00:23:11,347 --> 00:23:15,236
I'd rather die of hunger and
live on the edges of nothing

270
00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:20,280
and do nothing at all.� 
and be nothing

271
00:23:20,697 --> 00:23:21,711
labeled.� 

272
00:23:24,397 --> 00:23:27,595
So for fifty years � 

273
00:23:29,546 --> 00:23:33,045
I was a scarecrow 
unmarked, and now...� 

274
00:23:33,773 --> 00:23:35,594
I'm supposed to be a writer.�

275
00:23:36,386 --> 00:23:38,317
Because in the last ten years

276
00:23:39,505 --> 00:23:43,874
what I wrote for a while 
has been translated into

277
00:23:44,919 --> 00:23:47,626
 �12 languages?�13, I don't know�.� 

278
00:23:49,061 --> 00:23:53,573
So the cancer spread 
Europe, and I'm supposed to be famous

279
00:23:53,953 --> 00:23:56,407
everywhere but here, 
in the United States.� 

280
00:23:57,483 --> 00:23:58,481
Why? 

281
00:23:59,932 --> 00:24:01,594
Because the gods...� 

282
00:24:02,608 --> 00:24:07,404
They have decided to protect me from
have an ultra-oily head.

283
00:24:08,872 --> 00:24:12,133
They have decided to keep me 
clean and well,� 

284
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,634
to be able to continue working� 

285
00:24:15,363 --> 00:24:17,231
in all its areas.

286
00:24:20,074 --> 00:24:21,072
That's all.� 

287
00:24:21,847 --> 00:24:24,365
Furthermore, Europe is always

288
00:24:25,816 --> 00:24:31,990
and will be at least a hundred years ahead
to America in culture, sentiment,� 

289
00:24:32,370 --> 00:24:33,558
and knowledge.� 

290
00:24:34,232 --> 00:24:37,446
Everyone says that

291
00:24:38,570 --> 00:24:42,465
Fame is the biggest bitch of all,� 
or something like that, you know.� 

292
00:24:44,264 --> 00:24:46,671
But fame is a good thing 
try too

293
00:24:46,972 --> 00:24:51,927
because if you really have the power and
courage, and then they give you fame,� 

294
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:56,686
and you can handle that,
you have the final touch.� 

295
00:24:59,203 --> 00:25:01,847
And... it's a damn good test.

296
00:25:06,243 --> 00:25:08,586
I'm not too famous... Yet.

297
00:25:13,141 --> 00:25:15,880
But I'm working on it� 

298
00:25:16,386 --> 00:25:17,795
I think I'm going to fail.� 

299
00:25:19,394 --> 00:25:20,740
But it's okay.�

300
00:25:21,636 --> 00:25:22,443
Mink!

301
00:25:25,277 --> 00:25:26,354
minksy,

302
00:25:27,066 --> 00:25:28,079
come here�.� 

303
00:25:31,953 --> 00:25:34,913
Baby... What's wrong?

304
00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:04,932
Your first story was published 
by Story Magazine.

305
00:26:05,032 --> 00:26:07,668
It was something called
"A story about a story" or...� 

306
00:26:07,768 --> 00:26:12,749
"Serious consequences 
of a rejection".

307
00:26:16,376 --> 00:26:18,637
So I hit it big time.

308
00:26:19,255 --> 00:26:21,609
It was a great magazine at that time. 

309
00:26:21,709 --> 00:26:25,488
Well, it was intellectually.
and spiritually and...� 

310
00:26:25,588 --> 00:26:31,159
When you were published in Story Magazine
You were supposed to be a literary genius.

311
00:26:31,259 --> 00:26:34,499
If you had those pages
you were supposed to be there.�

312
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,303
And they downloaded the next story for you?

313
00:26:37,403 --> 00:26:39,343
No, don't send another one.� 

314
00:26:40,695 --> 00:26:46,636
Send one more to Portfolio, to Caresse
Crosby in Portfolio. She chose her.

315
00:26:47,105 --> 00:26:51,597
I was there with Henry Miller and
all the boys

316
00:26:53,315 --> 00:26:58,497
 �And then you stopped just when
were you published? - Yes�.� 

317
00:26:59,290 --> 00:27:03,896
Twice, right on 
"the big thing", I left it.

318
00:27:03,996 --> 00:27:09,031
What would you say to Barbet's question?
about choosing a marginal life?

319
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:11,236
Well...� 

320
00:27:13,413 --> 00:27:16,671
In this case it seems that
you would have done that. 

321
00:27:18,257 --> 00:27:20,215
I hate feeling guilty about that,

322
00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:25,175
I think I was looking for
more facts,

323
00:27:26,019 --> 00:27:28,570
as stupid as it may sound,

324
00:27:28,670 --> 00:27:32,686
I didn't want to become a
well-known writer at that time.

325
00:27:32,786 --> 00:27:37,024
Were you afraid it was too soon? 
- I was just afraid.

326
00:27:39,300 --> 00:27:45,207
So I started drinking and
do what I did, which was nothing.� 

327
00:27:45,307 --> 00:27:49,900
What happened next 
to publish in Portfolio 

328
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,052
and buy a copy? 
What did you do with that?

329
00:27:54,152 --> 00:27:56,226
You know the story, Joe.� 

330
00:27:57,543 --> 00:27:59,636
You've studied me, so...� 

331
00:28:00,613 --> 00:28:01,862
Well...� 

332
00:28:02,739 --> 00:28:08,917
one night in this bar, where
we made Barfly, where everything happens� 

333
00:28:09,337 --> 00:28:14,248
They asked,
"What are you doing?"

334
00:28:14,535 --> 00:28:19,615
"Well, I sit in bars."� 
No, I mean..."Well, I write."

335
00:28:21,335 --> 00:28:22,669
"Do you write?"

336
00:28:22,905 --> 00:28:27,462
I said: "Yes."�"�That means you have
something in a magazine?" I said, "Yes."

337
00:28:27,782 --> 00:28:30,769
"Hey, man! Can you show me
the magazine where are you? "� 

338
00:28:30,869 --> 00:28:36,069
"I'll buy you a drink. I'll buy you
three drinks." I said, "That's enough for me."

339
00:28:36,356 --> 00:28:41,708
So I got drunk. And I went and got
This Portfolio thing, you know?

340
00:28:41,808 --> 00:28:45,371
It was something big, with drawings and...� 

341
00:28:45,822 --> 00:28:50,263
So I came back It was stupid,
I shouldn't have done it.�

342
00:28:50,921 --> 00:28:54,938
I went and they gave me my drinks
and they said, "Jesus!"

343
00:28:55,815 --> 00:28:58,157
The waiter said:

344
00:28:58,397 --> 00:29:02,022
"Look at these words"

345
00:29:02,122 --> 00:29:06,781
And they all said, "What?" And they gathered together
 around, and the drinks continued.

346
00:29:06,881 --> 00:29:11,691
Then it started to rain.� 
I don't know, somehow we got out

347
00:29:13,244 --> 00:29:17,041
Shit, it was something
I was the hero

348
00:29:17,986 --> 00:29:23,353
I was drunk so I 
Everything fell and the pages flew.

349
00:29:24,197 --> 00:29:28,431
And the wind, you know, in
Philadelphia... and it was raining.� 

350
00:29:28,531 --> 00:29:33,246
I remember this guy, window cleaner.
He came and said:

351
00:29:33,346 --> 00:29:34,850
"Hey, I have this page!"

352
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:38,816
And it had the imprint of his great 
foot right in the middle of the thing,

353
00:29:38,916 --> 00:29:42,833
right in the center of the painting.� 
In the end he put them all together, and said:

354
00:29:42,933 --> 00:29:44,632
"Here you go, Hank."

355
00:29:45,174 --> 00:29:49,073
So I went home
and here was this great

356
00:29:49,984 --> 00:29:52,788
you know, where it's supposed to be
You are an immortal genius,� 

357
00:29:52,888 --> 00:29:59,117
I opened it and there were these big
footprints, on poems and paintings.

358
00:29:59,217 --> 00:30:03,634
So they always fuck me in the ass.
One way or another.

359
00:30:33,475 --> 00:30:34,758
The shoelace.

360
00:30:36,344 --> 00:30:37,424
A woman,� 

361
00:30:38,227 --> 00:30:42,311
a flat tire, 
an illness, a desire:�

362
00:30:43,121 --> 00:30:44,978
fears in front of you,

363
00:30:45,905 --> 00:30:49,348
fears that remain so long
that you can study them,

364
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,066
like pieces in a 
chess board.

365
00:30:54,376 --> 00:30:58,849
It's not the important things that
They send a man to the asylum.� 

366
00:30:59,878 --> 00:31:01,870
He is ready for death,

367
00:31:02,613 --> 00:31:04,283
or murder,� 

368
00:31:04,687 --> 00:31:06,898
incest, robbery,� 

369
00:31:07,286 --> 00:31:09,058
fire, flood.

370
00:31:09,851 --> 00:31:14,003
No, it is the continuing series� 
of small tragedies

371
00:31:14,592 --> 00:31:17,225
those who send a man 
to the asylum.

372
00:31:17,816 --> 00:31:19,875
It is not the death of your love,� 

373
00:31:20,449 --> 00:31:22,744
but the shoelace 
that breaks

374
00:31:23,502 --> 00:31:25,122
when you are in a hurry.

375
00:31:27,215 --> 00:31:31,181
The horror of life
It's that swarm of trivialities.

376
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:34,405
that can kill more 
faster than cancer

377
00:31:34,911 --> 00:31:37,004
and they are always there:

378
00:31:37,864 --> 00:31:40,497
the car registration
or taxes

379
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:43,417
or expired driving license

380
00:31:44,361 --> 00:31:46,453
or contracts or layoffs

381
00:31:47,095 --> 00:31:49,593
do it yourself or have it done to you

382
00:31:50,622 --> 00:31:52,411
or constipation

383
00:31:53,034 --> 00:31:57,068
or fines for speeding
or moths or crickets or rats

384
00:31:57,304 --> 00:31:59,448
or termites or cockroaches

385
00:31:59,785 --> 00:32:01,085
or flies� 

386
00:32:01,539 --> 00:32:05,032
or the metal fabric that breaks
or little gas

387
00:32:05,488 --> 00:32:07,108
or too much gas,

388
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,277
the battery exhausted,
the drunk landlady,

389
00:32:11,748 --> 00:32:15,141
the president doesn't care
and the governor is crazy.

390
00:32:15,883 --> 00:32:17,098
The light switch� 

391
00:32:20,308 --> 00:32:23,376
broken speech, 
the mouth factor� 

392
00:32:24,088 --> 00:32:28,037
Broken light switch
the mattress like a porcupine,

393
00:32:28,693 --> 00:32:32,524
$305 for set-up
of the carburetor

394
00:32:32,792 --> 00:32:35,324
and the fuel pump 
at Sears Roebuck

395
00:32:36,961 --> 00:32:40,472
and the phone bill that goes up
and the stock market goes down

396
00:32:40,909 --> 00:32:43,103
and the toilet chain 
that has been broken,

397
00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:45,972
and the light that has burned,

398
00:32:46,883 --> 00:32:51,018
the entrance light, the front light,
the light from behind, the light from inside,

399
00:32:51,608 --> 00:32:55,743
It's darker than hell
and it's twice as expensive.

400
00:32:58,865 --> 00:33:03,842
And there are always crabs and nails 
incarnated and people who insist

401
00:33:04,454 --> 00:33:05,956
in that they are your friends;

402
00:33:06,648 --> 00:33:08,842
There is always that and worse things:

403
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,251
dripping faucets,� 

404
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:13,631
Christ and Christmas

405
00:33:14,323 --> 00:33:15,926
blue salami,� 

406
00:33:16,432 --> 00:33:18,255
9 days of rain,

407
00:33:18,812 --> 00:33:21,090
90 cents of avocados

408
00:33:21,696 --> 00:33:23,553
and purple liver sausage.

409
00:33:24,751 --> 00:33:28,886
Or act as a waitress
in Norm�s with a split shift,

410
00:33:29,729 --> 00:33:31,956
or a urinal emptyer,

411
00:33:32,767 --> 00:33:35,264
or car wash
or kitchen helper,

412
00:33:36,007 --> 00:33:38,471
or a thief of old women's bags

413
00:33:38,925 --> 00:33:41,457
leaving them screaming on the sidewalk

414
00:33:41,896 --> 00:33:44,883
with a broken arm 
at the age of 80 years.

415
00:33:46,183 --> 00:33:50,790
Suddenly, two red lights 
in your rearview mirror

416
00:33:50,890 --> 00:33:53,017
and blood on your underwear;

417
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:54,806
toothache,� 

418
00:33:55,431 --> 00:33:59,819
and $1979 for a bridge,� 

419
00:34:00,509 --> 00:34:03,412
$900 for a gold tooth,� 

420
00:34:04,138 --> 00:34:07,615
and China and Russia and the United States,� 

421
00:34:08,136 --> 00:34:11,276
and long hair and short hair� 
and without hair,� 

422
00:34:11,596 --> 00:34:14,196
and beard and without

423
00:34:14,533 --> 00:34:15,512
faces,

424
00:34:16,339 --> 00:34:19,561
and many rolling papers 
but no grass,

425
00:34:20,321 --> 00:34:22,464
except maybe where you pee,

426
00:34:22,734 --> 00:34:24,861
and the other around your belly.

427
00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:30,159
With every shoelace
that breaks,

428
00:34:31,019 --> 00:34:33,551
from among a hundred cords of 
shoe that breaks,

429
00:34:34,749 --> 00:34:35,880
a man,� 

430
00:34:36,488 --> 00:34:37,551
a woman,� 

431
00:34:38,073 --> 00:34:39,187
one thing,

432
00:34:39,592 --> 00:34:41,263
He ends up in the asylum.

433
00:34:42,175 --> 00:34:44,791
So be careful� 
when you bend over.� 

434
00:34:47,187 --> 00:34:48,217
It's true.

435
00:34:50,494 --> 00:34:54,494
Some psychiatrist or
someone like that wrote to me.� 

436
00:34:55,017 --> 00:34:57,585
someone with many 
studies, said:� 

437
00:34:57,973 --> 00:35:01,112
"Your poem The shoelace
It's something very true."

438
00:35:02,526 --> 00:35:05,463
that people end 
in asylums - not by big people

439
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:09,157
causes, how to see
to your murdered daughter

440
00:35:09,257 --> 00:35:12,988
for a dragon that comes at 6 o'clock
the morning and gobbles it up.�

441
00:35:13,427 --> 00:35:17,495
It's a lot of small 
things� Forgive me.

442
00:35:19,674 --> 00:35:20,720
But that's how it is.

443
00:35:23,181 --> 00:35:28,007
Luckily I had a handful of
big tragedies, instead of small ones.

444
00:35:28,415 --> 00:35:30,677
So I've kept
almost outside.

445
00:36:02,281 --> 00:36:04,509
These are the bathroom windows.� 

446
00:36:05,942 --> 00:36:08,861
He had the beatings in the bathroom.

447
00:36:09,908 --> 00:36:14,347
And while he received the beatings,
I looked through these windows.

448
00:36:16,203 --> 00:36:21,063
For mercy or light, until later
For a while you can't see anything anymore.

449
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:25,906
A very ugly room for me.� 

450
00:36:30,868 --> 00:36:32,589
This was my bedroom.� 

451
00:36:35,423 --> 00:36:38,866
The bed was like this,
There was a dresser here.�

452
00:36:40,690 --> 00:36:45,598
At fifteen,
I started going out at night.� 

453
00:36:45,698 --> 00:36:48,876
My parents were going
sleep at 8 at night.� 

454
00:36:50,109 --> 00:36:55,909
I let them sleep for an hour and
then I got up and dressed.

455
00:36:57,445 --> 00:37:00,837
And he went out drinking, with older boys.� 

456
00:37:03,959 --> 00:37:08,600
In fact, I became
the leader of these older boys.� 

457
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:14,137
I was very bad at that time,� 
not like I am now, gentle and kind.� 

458
00:37:15,369 --> 00:37:16,398
And well...� 

459
00:37:18,287 --> 00:37:21,848
This is the window... 
The one I was escaping from.

460
00:37:23,635 --> 00:37:26,707
And this, I think is 
the same bush here,� 

461
00:37:27,213 --> 00:37:32,397
but it was smaller at that time.
I was climbing over the top

462
00:37:32,497 --> 00:37:37,612
and every night, I plucked the leaves
from above.

463
00:37:37,712 --> 00:37:43,076
So the bush always looked like
if someone had slipped through there.

464
00:37:44,932 --> 00:37:51,700
They never knew until... years later,� 
that I was going to drink with the boys.� 

465
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,716
One night, you know,� 
from going out so much at night,� 

466
00:37:58,045 --> 00:38:02,925
I got to the door, I couldn't get in,
and they saw for the little thing

467
00:38:03,853 --> 00:38:05,034
and� 

468
00:38:06,043 --> 00:38:10,414
They didn't let me in, you know,
My mother screamed: "You are not my son!"

469
00:38:10,801 --> 00:38:13,096
My father cursed me, and I said:

470
00:38:13,468 --> 00:38:16,455
"I need a place to sleep, 
I'm going in."

471
00:38:17,484 --> 00:38:22,428
So I lunged for the door 
two or three times, it opened and he entered.

472
00:38:24,085 --> 00:38:25,452
And

473
00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:30,259
I don't know, I think this effort
and being full of drink screwed me up.

474
00:38:31,524 --> 00:38:34,967
So, right here I vomited.

475
00:38:37,096 --> 00:38:39,831
And my father was a man
corpulent� 

476
00:38:39,931 --> 00:38:42,126
I was sixteen and a half years old.� 

477
00:38:43,050 --> 00:38:45,886
And he came from behind when
I was vomiting and he told me:

478
00:38:45,986 --> 00:38:50,358
"You know what we do with the dog,
When he shits on the carpet?" I said, "No."

479
00:38:50,897 --> 00:38:53,884
He said:
"We rub your nose in it."

480
00:38:56,027 --> 00:39:01,967
I had never faced my father
until that moment and I told him: "Don't do it.

481
00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:05,562
Father. Don't do it."
So,

482
00:39:06,220 --> 00:39:09,357
took me down here,

483
00:39:10,475 --> 00:39:11,623
of course,� 

484
00:39:12,298 --> 00:39:15,805
I turned around and put him
a beautiful punch.

485
00:39:16,244 --> 00:39:19,484
The couch was somewhere
and he let himself fall into it,

486
00:39:20,513 --> 00:39:22,876
and I didn't understand anything, you know.

487
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,277
It's okay to hit the child, but
The child does not have to respond...

488
00:39:29,051 --> 00:39:33,018
Of course, my mother stopped
and scratched me. She said:

489
00:39:33,591 --> 00:39:38,132
"You hit your father! You hit
to your father!" With her woman's nails.

490
00:39:38,721 --> 00:39:40,510
His shirt was bloody,� 

491
00:39:41,556 --> 00:39:43,311
and I stayed there

492
00:39:44,105 --> 00:39:47,294
until she finished�.� 
I said, "Are you satisfied?"

493
00:39:49,099 --> 00:39:52,187
And I started to walk away
and my father said:

494
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:56,289
"I'll see you in the morning!"
I said, "Why not now?"

495
00:39:57,958 --> 00:40:03,089
It didn't bother me in the morning.� 
I guess that's growing up, quickly.

496
00:40:04,641 --> 00:40:06,785
That's all about that.

497
00:40:08,759 --> 00:40:10,801
The chimney is still there.� 

498
00:40:38,914 --> 00:40:42,965
You didn't hang out with people much,� 
but you went there a couple of times.

499
00:40:43,488 --> 00:40:48,381
You imagined what it was like,
and it wasn't what you expected.

500
00:40:50,342 --> 00:40:52,199
Oh yes�.�Well...�

501
00:40:53,817 --> 00:40:56,585
I think what bothered me

502
00:40:56,685 --> 00:40:59,961
When I was a child I saw this

503
00:41:01,362 --> 00:41:03,303
slum movie

504
00:41:04,448 --> 00:41:07,349
I don't know if it was
Gary Cooper or someone,� 

505
00:41:07,771 --> 00:41:12,024
but he was a young wanderer
from the slums and walked

506
00:41:12,124 --> 00:41:15,062
loitering in train cars.

507
00:41:16,208 --> 00:41:20,748
But he was always very beautiful.� 
With his hair a little messy, but...� 

508
00:41:20,848 --> 00:41:24,226
And I remember that once
he got out of the van

509
00:41:24,326 --> 00:41:27,145
and all the girls in it
public applauded.

510
00:41:27,245 --> 00:41:30,403
They loved the look of it and I said:� 
"Hey, this is not correct."� 

511
00:41:31,211 --> 00:41:35,093
Still, I kinda liked it
the romantic side of

512
00:41:35,565 --> 00:41:39,008
tramp who didn't want 
fit into life.� 

513
00:41:39,615 --> 00:41:42,501
And he was too strong 
to fit into life.� 

514
00:41:43,481 --> 00:41:50,097
I felt the same. I didn't like it.
what I saw, the streets, the pharmacies.� 

515
00:41:51,074 --> 00:41:55,428
The movie theaters. I thought, "Well, shit.
Maybe I'm strong too, huh. "� 

516
00:41:57,502 --> 00:41:58,194
But...� 

517
00:41:58,498 --> 00:42:02,768
What I saw of the slums,� 
sleeping on park benches� 

518
00:42:02,868 --> 00:42:04,793
Even in the slums� 

519
00:42:05,686 --> 00:42:09,298
But the guys I saw down there,
and the guys I saw there

520
00:42:09,973 --> 00:42:12,691
They had jobs, you know

521
00:42:13,617 --> 00:42:15,642
You sit on the benches and wait

522
00:42:15,963 --> 00:42:20,520
some call, they need four types 
to unload a wagon or something.� 

523
00:42:21,178 --> 00:42:23,929
Just sitting, and, well,
you sit in these places.� 

524
00:42:25,043 --> 00:42:28,368
There are people there, man, who don't
He knows where the hell he is.� 

525
00:42:28,468 --> 00:42:29,836
There is a guy like that

526
00:42:32,317 --> 00:42:33,885
And another guy like that

527
00:42:33,985 --> 00:42:37,328
 �Well, fuck it!� 

528
00:42:38,087 --> 00:42:39,353
Another guy like that

529
00:42:39,691 --> 00:42:41,210
You know, they are all

530
00:42:42,339 --> 00:42:45,276
These are not the people
beauty of the slums.� 

531
00:42:46,035 --> 00:42:48,921
Like this movie, which was...

532
00:42:49,478 --> 00:42:50,930
I'm not going to name her.

533
00:42:51,603 --> 00:42:54,034
But you know, they are there
and everyone is singing a little

534
00:42:54,134 --> 00:42:55,806
and playing their guitars.

535
00:42:56,363 --> 00:42:59,721
And everyone is talking...� 
of their problems.� 

536
00:42:59,821 --> 00:43:03,114
They have a small campfire,� 
There is nothing like that.� 

537
00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:06,420
They are all crazy and they are

538
00:43:07,264 --> 00:43:09,492
They are almost like cockroaches.� 

539
00:43:09,592 --> 00:43:12,952
They are ugly and what you want
is to get away from them.� 

540
00:43:13,981 --> 00:43:18,048
It's terrible down there. Nothing to see
with that movie we saw.� 

541
00:43:18,875 --> 00:43:22,911
Nothing even close to that,
I have never seen a slum like this.

542
00:43:24,059 --> 00:43:27,535
And you could go there and
search for years, you will not find it.� 

543
00:43:29,422 --> 00:43:31,312
Those people down there...

544
00:43:31,682 --> 00:43:34,534
I went there because I wanted to escape.�

545
00:43:38,028 --> 00:43:41,117
They go there, because
They were thrown there�.� 

546
00:43:41,537 --> 00:43:42,195
Do you see it?

547
00:43:42,786 --> 00:43:46,566
And you want to escape and you end up with
people who were thrown there,

548
00:43:46,666 --> 00:43:50,583
that is not good.
So where are you going?

549
00:43:51,915 --> 00:43:55,054
You go back to the bottle and a
little room somewhere.� 

550
00:43:56,286 --> 00:43:57,265
And you wait.

551
00:44:02,378 --> 00:44:03,341
And you wait.

552
00:44:04,454 --> 00:44:05,383
And you wait.

553
00:44:07,917 --> 00:44:09,031
That's all.� 

554
00:44:36,618 --> 00:44:39,167
I'm a loner, that's all.� 
Shit.

555
00:44:41,646 --> 00:44:45,511
Unless you're a loner,� 
I only met one guy like me.

556
00:44:46,087 --> 00:44:49,564
But it wasn't so lonely because
He always knocked on my door,

557
00:44:49,664 --> 00:44:51,707
telling me how lonely it was.

558
00:44:53,732 --> 00:44:55,808
It was Red Strange, anyway.

559
00:44:58,522 --> 00:45:01,475
But he was the closest
I was able to find a guy like me.� 

560
00:45:01,575 --> 00:45:06,640
So he would talk to me about him, or read what
mine and was recognized.

561
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,613
But he wasn't as lonely as me.� 
So I said, "Hey, Red, disappear."

562
00:45:13,052 --> 00:45:14,739
What were you doing in your life? 

563
00:45:15,263 --> 00:45:19,430
I was walking around there. I had little ones
jobs in clubs,

564
00:45:19,530 --> 00:45:23,822
and he was always down.
He didn't want to be seen, and...� 

565
00:45:24,763 --> 00:45:28,276
Once I was driving down the street
street and he was walking

566
00:45:28,376 --> 00:45:30,014
and I think it was... and I said:� 

567
00:45:30,385 --> 00:45:33,710
"Hey Red!" He was looking.
a... walking down the street,� 

568
00:45:33,810 --> 00:45:38,938
He seemed to be looking at a theater marquee,� 
You know, an advertisement for a theater.� 

569
00:45:39,038 --> 00:45:42,825
He was trying to hide from
the voice that said: "Hey Red."

570
00:45:42,925 --> 00:45:47,984
So I tried it. I knew it was a
lonely, hiding. I said, "Hey Red.

571
00:45:48,084 --> 00:45:52,928
It's Hank." He said, "Oh, Hank!"
and he got into the car. I told him:

572
00:45:53,181 --> 00:45:57,687
"Ok, kid. Tell me."
So he started talking

573
00:45:57,787 --> 00:46:01,331
about being a real loner.
But he talked too much.� 

574
00:46:03,222 --> 00:46:04,220
Hours.� 

575
00:46:05,283 --> 00:46:07,427
I have many stories about him.

576
00:46:08,368 --> 00:46:09,650
I always came back.

577
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:13,937
I nurtured a good handful of stories and
then it started to repeat itself and I told him:

578
00:46:14,037 --> 00:46:15,220
"Hey, Red.

579
00:46:15,489 --> 00:46:20,468
Go away, get new things, and
then come back. "You bore me."

580
00:46:21,059 --> 00:46:24,485
So I moved and for a
time we don't connect.

581
00:46:25,074 --> 00:46:29,614
I could still use it, you know. One of 
those Erection stories.�That one� 

582
00:46:30,492 --> 00:46:33,007
I don't know if you remember.� 
There is a dog

583
00:46:33,107 --> 00:46:36,720
that bothers people
and they cut his throat.� 

584
00:46:36,820 --> 00:46:39,334
That was a story 
by Red Strange.

585
00:46:39,434 --> 00:46:43,959
There are a couple more. The guy brought me 
stories and I used them.

586
00:46:44,278 --> 00:46:46,556
He was the main character,
the bad one,

587
00:46:46,656 --> 00:46:49,932
in that scene where only
Was it a story he had heard? 

588
00:46:50,032 --> 00:46:53,932
Oh yeah, he was the guy who cuts the
the dog's throat.�- Ah, it was the bad one� 

589
00:46:54,032 --> 00:46:59,010
Oh yeah, it was bad. We were walking along
the street, you know, and he said:

590
00:46:59,110 --> 00:47:02,099
"Hey, look at this guy.� 
He's got those boots on, Hank."

591
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:03,534
I said: "Yes." He said:

592
00:47:03,634 --> 00:47:07,754
"Never wear boots, a man can
come at you from behind and cut your throat."

593
00:47:07,854 --> 00:47:10,809
This guy came a block down
behind, and he said: "Look!"

594
00:47:10,909 --> 00:47:14,991
He approached and began to walk
behind the guy and came back and said:

595
00:47:15,091 --> 00:47:17,978
See! See! See! See!

596
00:47:18,078 --> 00:47:20,342
I said: "Hey Red, let's go."

597
00:47:20,442 --> 00:47:25,287
He was completely crazy.� 
Of course I liked him a lot.� 

598
00:47:26,669 --> 00:47:29,217
So, it was very strange.� 

599
00:47:30,061 --> 00:47:31,498
It was strange.

600
00:47:32,578 --> 00:47:34,755
So, ok. Good.

601
00:47:35,717 --> 00:47:36,966
Good night.� 

602
00:48:04,114 --> 00:48:09,633
When someone walks through the door,
The first thing I think about is getting rid of them.

603
00:48:12,636 --> 00:48:13,919
The vampires.

604
00:48:14,948 --> 00:48:18,746
I'm hungover and in bed
and the doorbell rings.

605
00:48:21,092 --> 00:48:22,746
It's 11 in the morning.

606
00:48:24,027 --> 00:48:25,850
What the fuck? Asked.

607
00:48:26,812 --> 00:48:29,647
She goes to the door 
and I hear her speak.

608
00:48:30,474 --> 00:48:32,820
He enters the room and tells me.

609
00:48:33,392 --> 00:48:35,941
It's a Mr. Sanderson, he says.

610
00:48:36,413 --> 00:48:40,211
He says you know him
and wants to talk to you.

611
00:48:41,038 --> 00:48:42,540
Sanderson? Asked.

612
00:48:42,911 --> 00:48:44,598
What is your first name?

613
00:48:45,392 --> 00:48:47,485
She comes back with the answer.� 

614
00:48:48,075 --> 00:48:50,303
He says his first name is Frank.� 

615
00:48:51,685 --> 00:48:54,757
I've never heard of the son of a bitch.� 
Tell him to get out of here.

616
00:48:55,601 --> 00:49:00,884
I hear them talking back and forth 
and I consider all that very unnecessary.

617
00:49:01,523 --> 00:49:04,595
I start to get up 
and dress to throw him out.

618
00:49:05,321 --> 00:49:07,819
When I get there it's already gone.

619
00:49:08,747 --> 00:49:10,570
What did he want? I ask.

620
00:49:11,294 --> 00:49:16,053
I wanted to talk to you, she says.� 
Well, now, isn't that the cat's eye?

621
00:49:16,999 --> 00:49:22,028
He seemed like a very nice guy.� 
He seemed very sad when you kicked him out.

622
00:49:22,706 --> 00:49:25,997
I don't want to talk to anyone
Son of a bitch, I tell him.� 

623
00:49:26,517 --> 00:49:29,487
Well, I would have talked to him.� 
She says.

624
00:49:30,110 --> 00:49:35,275
I enter the shithole, under my 
pants and shorts and let him go.

625
00:49:36,861 --> 00:49:40,152
That night, I'm in my fourth 
or fifth beer,� 

626
00:49:40,252 --> 00:49:43,442
when there is a brutal
knocking on the door.� 

627
00:49:44,455 --> 00:49:47,763
I imagine murder, emergency, 
anything.� 

628
00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:49,602
Someone needs help.�

629
00:49:50,191 --> 00:49:51,829
I open the door.� 

630
00:49:52,065 --> 00:49:55,002
He's a fat son of a bitch
and behind him

631
00:49:55,102 --> 00:49:59,137
There are five or six people.� 
Men and women.� 

632
00:49:59,996 --> 00:50:02,359
 �Hey!� The fat man shouts.� 

633
00:50:02,459 --> 00:50:05,599
"I'm Bo Severus and we've
come to say hello!

634
00:50:06,395 --> 00:50:10,158
I try to close the door but he
put a big shoe there,

635
00:50:10,258 --> 00:50:11,593
keeping it open.� 

636
00:50:12,673 --> 00:50:15,103
Wait, he says, 
We look a lot alike.� 

637
00:50:15,472 --> 00:50:19,877
You'll really get me out.
Many people confuse me with you.

638
00:50:20,432 --> 00:50:23,960
Get your damn foot out of the
medium, I tell him.

639
00:50:24,432 --> 00:50:26,711
I have read all your books, he says.

640
00:50:27,082 --> 00:50:31,148
With the heel of my shoe 
I crushed the tip of his foot.

641
00:50:31,928 --> 00:50:34,898
The foot is removed and I close the door.

642
00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:40,176
After a moment, empty beer cans� 
and bottles hit against the door.� 

643
00:50:40,483 --> 00:50:42,120
Then a stone or two.� 

644
00:50:42,609 --> 00:50:45,884
I hear some curses and� 
then I hear them walk away.

645
00:50:47,347 --> 00:50:49,929
I sit down and open a new beer.� 

646
00:50:51,516 --> 00:50:54,571
Since I was 16, I tell him.� 

647
00:50:55,026 --> 00:50:57,980
People have been after me
and it never stopped.

648
00:50:58,925 --> 00:51:01,372
44 years support it.

649
00:51:02,030 --> 00:51:06,806
I don't know what they want from me,
because you see that I don't like them.

650
00:51:08,459 --> 00:51:11,480
Maybe if you just gave them
a chance, she says.�

651
00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:16,037
You will find that they are all
unique, if you put your mind to it.

652
00:51:16,963 --> 00:51:20,170
I empty my beer with that,
then I look at her.

653
00:51:20,744 --> 00:51:23,478
How the fuck you
have you entered here?

654
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:27,141
I enter the kitchen 
and I find the whiskey.� 

655
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:31,004
I open it and pour a measure
when the phone rings.

656
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:33,181
I hear her respond.

657
00:51:33,586 --> 00:51:34,413
Who?

658
00:51:34,886 --> 00:51:36,219
I'll ask him.� 

659
00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:40,555
I hear her walking 
towards me in the kitchen

660
00:51:40,876 --> 00:51:44,504
and I wonder why not
already know the answer� 

661
00:51:44,943 --> 00:51:47,255
while I stay there
holding the drink.

662
00:51:47,677 --> 00:51:49,584
Observing the leak from the faucet.�

663
00:51:50,073 --> 00:51:52,048
The way they always do.

664
00:51:52,148 --> 00:51:55,491
When you people leave
Tonight, I'm going to feel much better.� 

665
00:51:56,654 --> 00:51:58,274
No, I will.�Really.� 

666
00:51:59,051 --> 00:52:04,738
I say that I like them to a certain extent,
but I like them more when they're not here.

667
00:52:41,361 --> 00:52:43,167
Yes, I have been in jail...

668
00:52:45,153 --> 00:52:47,702
I don't know my record well.

669
00:52:49,288 --> 00:52:51,330
Thirteen common drunkenness.� 

670
00:52:52,765 --> 00:52:54,554
Two for drunk driving.

671
00:52:55,700 --> 00:52:56,797
A...� 

672
00:52:58,468 --> 00:53:01,135
attempted rape, 
which was rejected.� 

673
00:53:03,665 --> 00:53:08,711
Not everything in Los Angeles, for everything
the country, but the majority in Los Angeles.� 

674
00:53:09,842 --> 00:53:12,696
But... actually,
I am an innocent man.� 

675
00:53:14,874 --> 00:53:18,907
I get drunk and I seem
violent, but I'm not violent.� 

676
00:53:19,582 --> 00:53:21,708
It's just self-entertainment.� 

677
00:53:22,198 --> 00:53:25,742
You know, you can't go to the movies, 
those things.� 

678
00:53:25,842 --> 00:53:29,029
I think most of what I say 
When I'm drunk it's true.

679
00:53:29,129 --> 00:53:31,950
Still, then in the morning
people say:

680
00:53:32,726 --> 00:53:36,929
"Those things you said
They are strange and false."

681
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:40,268
I finally get out of myself

682
00:53:41,803 --> 00:53:48,081
What I hide behind what I say,
my cons. I could be wrong.� 

683
00:53:49,872 --> 00:53:51,731
But I'm just wrong...

684
00:53:52,102 --> 00:53:54,296
with what happens to me.

685
00:53:54,952 --> 00:53:56,083
I'm stupid.� 

686
00:53:57,835 --> 00:54:00,906
I am impulsive and stupid.� 
I'm stupid

687
00:54:01,006 --> 00:54:05,446
and I am spontaneous and I don't have 
a lot of experience.

688
00:54:06,188 --> 00:54:09,193
Or I had it late,
You know, very late.

689
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,638
But I still react the same way.

690
00:54:12,925 --> 00:54:16,537
I am a stupid person.� 
I react foolishly with violence.� 

691
00:54:17,832 --> 00:54:20,904
I don't like not being right
and I react

692
00:54:21,223 --> 00:54:22,725
directly to that.� 

693
00:54:24,582 --> 00:54:27,248
I have no excuses 
because of my stupidity.� 

694
00:54:32,259 --> 00:54:33,475
"Nothing more?"

695
00:54:44,601 --> 00:54:46,778
I will say one more thing.� 

696
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:52,139
Much of my so-called
stupidity with women

697
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,992
It relates to what happened to me
from when I was born until I had

698
00:54:58,012 --> 00:55:00,917
17, 18, 19 years old.� 
In other words,

699
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,807
at that stage; I'm not
Excuse me, I'm just saying that

700
00:55:07,952 --> 00:55:12,849
I was raised harshly by the troops
hardest in the world.

701
00:55:14,503 --> 00:55:18,043
So, I think they were
wrong, but they taught me

702
00:55:19,493 --> 00:55:20,674
to believe

703
00:55:23,358 --> 00:55:25,062
and not forgive.� 

704
00:55:26,685 --> 00:55:28,390
I never forgive.

705
00:55:29,554 --> 00:55:30,719
I am a dog.� 

706
00:55:31,056 --> 00:55:34,837
If you have time, you do it
right, or you do it wrong.� 

707
00:55:35,441 --> 00:55:38,107
And once you committed 
a mistake, forget it.

708
00:55:38,697 --> 00:55:40,250
I don't make mistakes.� 

709
00:55:40,959 --> 00:55:44,199
I just get drunk, hit
people with my shit,

710
00:55:44,299 --> 00:55:49,347
I drive my car over corpses,
I park in the garage and have another drink.

711
00:55:49,818 --> 00:55:50,814
 �Okay?� 

712
00:56:18,775 --> 00:56:20,260
Knocking on wood.� 

713
00:56:22,134 --> 00:56:25,509
There are 4 or 5 types 
at the track bar.

714
00:56:27,905 --> 00:56:30,521
There is a mirror behind the bar.� 

715
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:34,420
The reflections are not pleasant

716
00:56:35,196 --> 00:56:38,823
of the 4 or 5 types in 
the track bar.

717
00:56:40,579 --> 00:56:42,081
There are many bottles� 

718
00:56:42,604 --> 00:56:44,427
at the track bar.

719
00:56:45,406 --> 00:56:47,296
We ordered different drinks.

720
00:56:48,493 --> 00:56:51,210
There is a mirror behind the bar.� 

721
00:56:52,155 --> 00:56:54,552
The reflections are not pleasant.

722
00:56:55,782 --> 00:57:00,052
It doesn't take brains to beat horses,� 
It just takes money and guts.

723
00:57:02,061 --> 00:57:04,592
Our reflections are not pleasant.

724
00:57:05,672 --> 00:57:07,714
The clouds are outside.

725
00:57:08,490 --> 00:57:10,279
The sun is outside.� 

726
00:57:11,005 --> 00:57:13,756
The horses warm up outside.

727
00:57:14,668 --> 00:57:17,199
We continue in the bar on the track.

728
00:57:18,818 --> 00:57:23,054
I've been betting on the races
for 40 years and I still can't beat them.

729
00:57:24,472 --> 00:57:29,078
You can bet on races 
another 40 years and still not defeat them.

730
00:57:31,816 --> 00:57:33,909
The waiter doesn't like us.

731
00:57:35,372 --> 00:57:38,426
The 5 minute warning sounds.

732
00:57:39,490 --> 00:57:42,950
We finish our drinks and
Let's place our bets.� 

733
00:57:44,619 --> 00:57:47,758
Our reflections look better 
when we leave:� 

734
00:57:48,349 --> 00:57:50,222
You can't see our faces.�

735
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:55,437
4 or 5 guys at the bar on the track.

736
00:57:56,652 --> 00:57:57,732
What the fuck.� 

737
00:57:58,019 --> 00:57:59,285
Nobody wins.� 

738
00:57:59,926 --> 00:58:01,226
Ask C�sar.� 

739
00:58:03,606 --> 00:58:07,992
You said the clues were the
universities of life.

740
00:58:09,038 --> 00:58:13,950
What did you learn on the slopes?
Why did you go every day? 

741
00:58:25,390 --> 00:58:27,094
Like Hemingway,

742
00:58:27,685 --> 00:58:29,626
I needed bullfights,
you know,

743
00:58:30,352 --> 00:58:33,795
to see what was happening.� 
I taught him something.� 

744
00:58:35,582 --> 00:58:37,439
In reality, he was 
studying death.� 

745
00:58:37,776 --> 00:58:40,612
I more or less studied
life.

746
00:58:43,548 --> 00:58:46,906
I think it tells you 
something very fast,� 

747
00:58:47,649 --> 00:58:49,809
what you should know 
from the beginning.�

748
00:58:51,008 --> 00:58:55,010
But it doesn't give you the answer,� 
It almost gives you the answer.� 

749
00:58:56,715 --> 00:58:59,803
And that's important,� 
almost have the answer.� 

750
00:59:00,930 --> 00:59:02,989
And that's all. It teaches you

751
00:59:03,460 --> 00:59:05,165
something unspeakable.� 

752
00:59:06,869 --> 00:59:09,148
When I don't go to the races

753
00:59:09,587 --> 00:59:12,692
two or three days I wither, 
how� 

754
00:59:13,315 --> 00:59:15,205
like a flower without water.� 

755
00:59:16,522 --> 00:59:17,838
So, it's...� 

756
00:59:18,142 --> 00:59:20,100
I can't name it. It's just

757
00:59:20,827 --> 00:59:23,984
It's just there. The thing is
Ah, I have to go see her.� 

758
00:59:24,237 --> 00:59:26,448
The monster, the god, the rat,� 

759
00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:31,614
the snail. What's out there
I have to go see it, and look at it.� 

760
00:59:32,492 --> 00:59:35,985
And put up with it and maybe not
put up with it. But� 

761
00:59:36,958 --> 00:59:37,988
I need it.

762
00:59:38,545 --> 00:59:41,043
That's all. Really. 
I can't explain it.� 

763
00:59:42,712 --> 00:59:44,416
If I could, I wouldn't go.� 

764
01:00:16,378 --> 01:00:18,223
What makes women
do they approach you?

765
01:00:18,999 --> 01:00:22,054
Where women have failed
with many men

766
01:00:24,748 --> 01:00:26,774
I think it is this

767
01:00:27,332 --> 01:00:28,176
thought� 

768
01:00:28,733 --> 01:00:30,455
that men artists

769
01:00:32,041 --> 01:00:33,324
those who write

770
01:00:34,671 --> 01:00:38,266
unusual things or sensations 
unusual have more to give

771
01:00:39,530 --> 01:00:43,884
that the common men of the
streets, businessmen...� 

772
01:00:44,154 --> 01:00:45,100
etc.

773
01:00:47,834 --> 01:00:49,707
But that's not true.

774
01:00:52,136 --> 01:00:53,689
The artists only

775
01:00:54,431 --> 01:00:55,545
increase

776
01:00:56,727 --> 01:00:59,798
the true but themselves
maybe they are not

777
01:01:00,843 --> 01:01:03,392
as real as the guy next door.� 

778
01:01:05,164 --> 01:01:08,590
They only account for one sense
of reality and increase it

779
01:01:09,686 --> 01:01:11,273
to a sharp point.

780
01:01:11,982 --> 01:01:13,433
And that is called art.

781
01:01:14,007 --> 01:01:16,421
But perhaps they themselves
don't be

782
01:01:17,096 --> 01:01:18,648
creatures that are worth it.� 

783
01:01:20,115 --> 01:01:22,292
But some women

784
01:01:23,069 --> 01:01:25,280
They think that artists or

785
01:01:26,714 --> 01:01:29,280
great poets, great 
writers, or

786
01:01:29,616 --> 01:01:32,535
semi-great writers can� 
have something extra.� 

787
01:01:33,683 --> 01:01:36,434
But it's not true,� 
They don't have anything extra.� 

788
01:01:36,738 --> 01:01:39,606
They just do different things
differently.

789
01:01:41,597 --> 01:01:43,825
Maybe in a way 
most unpleasant,

790
01:01:45,023 --> 01:01:46,053
for� 

791
01:01:48,044 --> 01:01:49,040
get to...� 

792
01:01:49,580 --> 01:01:52,162
what they are trying to
explain about themselves.� 

793
01:01:52,601 --> 01:01:54,440
That doesn't make them better
men.

794
01:01:56,212 --> 01:01:57,208
So

795
01:01:58,692 --> 01:02:00,329
she thought that in me

796
01:02:00,869 --> 01:02:02,405
I could find something

797
01:02:02,810 --> 01:02:04,667
gentler, kinder.� 

798
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:07,232
In fact, it was found
with the opposite.

799
01:02:08,530 --> 01:02:10,066
So, it doesn't matter.� 

800
01:02:13,781 --> 01:02:15,924
But they don't want to live with that.� 

801
01:02:16,296 --> 01:02:18,456
They have all come to see me

802
01:02:19,114 --> 01:02:21,004
and they have tried to change me.

803
01:02:21,592 --> 01:02:25,085
They want to show me happiness
of life. They want

804
01:02:28,223 --> 01:02:31,261
But you see,
I didn't ask them to come.

805
01:02:32,071 --> 01:02:33,710
They are trying to save me.� 

806
01:02:33,810 --> 01:02:37,879
They are interested in malice
of my writing, if I may use that term,� 

807
01:02:37,979 --> 01:02:41,826
or the different.
And that's what attracts them.� 

808
01:02:41,926 --> 01:02:45,994
The moment they meet me
They try to change me.

809
01:02:46,398 --> 01:02:49,486
Which is not malicious,� 
interesting, or nothing at all.� 

810
01:02:51,326 --> 01:02:52,980
So I deny that

811
01:02:54,313 --> 01:02:57,421
and I rebel against that and then
we have a misfortune.� 

812
01:02:57,994 --> 01:03:01,100
But I don't go to them,
they come to me.

813
01:03:02,028 --> 01:03:04,324
And then we have problems.� 

814
01:03:42,129 --> 01:03:44,509
I used to frequent a little 
this park

815
01:03:45,471 --> 01:03:46,332
and...� 

816
01:03:48,026 --> 01:03:49,646
there is the hotel.� 

817
01:03:52,094 --> 01:03:56,214
Where the guy walked in front of me
window while sitting there.

818
01:03:56,856 --> 01:03:57,733
That's all.� 

819
01:04:04,235 --> 01:04:05,822
We drank a lot� 

820
01:04:07,223 --> 01:04:11,442
and one morning I woke up with
The worst hangover I've ever had.� 

821
01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:14,082
Like a band of steel 
around my head.� 

822
01:04:15,111 --> 01:04:19,212
I really felt very bad and she
I was in the bathroom vomiting.� 

823
01:04:19,752 --> 01:04:23,548
We drank this very cheap wine,� 
the cheapest you could get.� 

824
01:04:23,970 --> 01:04:25,776
Lots of bottles, so...� 

825
01:04:26,636 --> 01:04:31,278
I'm sitting there almost dying,
at the window, trying to breathe.

826
01:04:32,863 --> 01:04:34,230
Just sitting there,

827
01:04:35,124 --> 01:04:36,660
and, suddenly,� 

828
01:04:38,922 --> 01:04:44,726
a falling body passes by, a man
well dressed, with a knotted tie,

829
01:04:44,826 --> 01:04:47,329
that seems to go in slow motion.� 

830
01:04:47,781 --> 01:04:50,903
You know, 
a body does not fall very fast.� 

831
01:04:51,273 --> 01:04:53,197
Evidently, he went up to the roof.

832
01:04:53,754 --> 01:04:55,239
and he just jumped.

833
01:04:55,762 --> 01:04:57,838
This building is not very tall.� 

834
01:04:58,294 --> 01:05:01,619
I mean, maybe he got crippled
for life.�I don't know.� 

835
01:05:02,395 --> 01:05:03,205
So...� 

836
01:05:04,015 --> 01:05:05,585
I saw it happen

837
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,150
and I said, "Well,

838
01:05:08,250 --> 01:05:12,756
I don't think he's crazy, I think that
It was really a body passing by."

839
01:05:13,060 --> 01:05:15,254
I know it was a body passing.

840
01:05:15,726 --> 01:05:19,389
So I went to the bathroom,
and I said, "Hey, Jane, you know what?"

841
01:05:20,334 --> 01:05:21,870
She says, "Now, what is it?"

842
01:05:23,016 --> 01:05:25,885
I said, "It just happened 
the strangest thing".

843
01:05:26,510 --> 01:05:27,387
"Yes?"

844
01:05:28,621 --> 01:05:33,195
"Yes, a human body ends 
passing through my window.

845
01:05:34,069 --> 01:05:37,345
His head was up and his 
feet down, he was upright,

846
01:05:37,445 --> 01:05:40,854
and was flying through the air. Pass
falling right in front of the window."

847
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,803
She said: "Ah, complete bullshit."� 
I said, "No, no, it really happened."

848
01:05:45,157 --> 01:05:46,676
"I'm not making it up."

849
01:05:48,161 --> 01:05:52,666
She said, "Ah, come on, are you
fucking And it's not fun." I told him:

850
01:05:53,020 --> 01:05:56,295
"I know I'm not funny."
And I told him: "Look, I'll tell you what..."

851
01:05:56,919 --> 01:05:58,674
Come here,

852
01:05:59,955 --> 01:06:03,466
come to the window and stick your head out
and look down."

853
01:06:04,698 --> 01:06:07,871
She said, "Okay, here I go."
She came,� 

854
01:06:07,971 --> 01:06:10,487
he stuck his head out
window and all I heard was:

855
01:06:10,924 --> 01:06:13,743
"Oh Almighty God!"

856
01:06:14,063 --> 01:06:15,481
I ran to the bathroom

857
01:06:16,004 --> 01:06:21,218
and I vomited and vomited and vomited.� 
I sat there and said:

858
01:06:21,576 --> 01:06:23,280
"I told you, baby.� 

859
01:06:23,702 --> 01:06:25,154
I told you."

860
01:06:26,011 --> 01:06:30,146
And I went to the refrigerator, took one 
beer. I felt better, you know.

861
01:06:31,344 --> 01:06:34,584
I don't know why I felt better.
Maybe because I was right.

862
01:06:34,684 --> 01:06:37,589
So I opened my beer and
I sat there and drank it.

863
01:06:37,689 --> 01:06:40,191
I had not yet looked
the window, you know.� 

864
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:42,284
Because I felt bad.� 

865
01:06:42,942 --> 01:06:46,267
This is where it happened,� 
and that's all there is.� 

866
01:07:12,948 --> 01:07:16,306
We no longer lived together, and

867
01:07:18,045 --> 01:07:19,732
I came to see her once

868
01:07:20,121 --> 01:07:21,936
and knocked on the door.

869
01:07:23,134 --> 01:07:26,054
There was no one in the
room and opened the door

870
01:07:26,964 --> 01:07:31,200
and the bed pieces had been removed,� 
and there was a blood stain...� 

871
01:07:31,689 --> 01:07:33,175
on the sheet

872
01:07:33,647 --> 01:07:34,441
about� 

873
01:07:35,217 --> 01:07:37,057
a little below the head.�

874
01:07:38,625 --> 01:07:43,637
And I felt something very bad, you know,� 
just the view of the bed and the

875
01:07:44,042 --> 01:07:46,878
shadows in the room and
everything was there...

876
01:07:47,804 --> 01:07:50,387
So I went down to the...� 

877
01:07:51,028 --> 01:07:54,133
homemade and I said, "Where is Jane?"

878
01:07:55,441 --> 01:07:58,107
She said, "Well, the ambulance."
He came and took her away. "� 

879
01:07:59,229 --> 01:08:00,157
So...� 

880
01:08:00,798 --> 01:08:05,490
Then I went to see her. She was at the County
General, where I had gone many times.

881
01:08:06,975 --> 01:08:09,439
And, she was in a coma,� 

882
01:08:10,097 --> 01:08:11,937
and I sat there,

883
01:08:13,675 --> 01:08:16,192
and dried his face with a cloth.� 

884
01:08:16,951 --> 01:08:20,394
Came out of coma,
He recognized me. He opened his eyes.

885
01:08:21,525 --> 01:08:23,114
and said:

886
01:08:23,671 --> 01:08:25,611
"I knew it would be you."

887
01:08:25,711 --> 01:08:29,156
Then he closed his eyes and
He never recovered.

888
01:08:31,157 --> 01:08:33,149
So yes, that's what happened.� 

889
01:08:34,514 --> 01:08:36,607
He died maybe two days later.� 

890
01:08:41,772 --> 01:08:43,071
For Jane.� 

891
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,720
225 days under the grass� 

892
01:08:51,559 --> 01:08:53,500
and you already know more than me.

893
01:08:56,386 --> 01:08:58,934
They have taken your blood,

894
01:09:00,926 --> 01:09:03,744
You are a dry stick in a basket.� 

895
01:09:07,084 --> 01:09:09,093
Is this how it works?

896
01:09:11,321 --> 01:09:12,823
In this room

897
01:09:14,171 --> 01:09:15,690
the hours of love

898
01:09:15,790 --> 01:09:18,019
They still make shadows.

899
01:09:20,585 --> 01:09:21,817
When you left

900
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:24,230
you took almost everything.

901
01:09:28,482 --> 01:09:30,659
I kneel at night

902
01:09:30,759 --> 01:09:32,347
before the tigers

903
01:09:34,253 --> 01:09:36,751
that they won't let me be.� 

904
01:09:39,992 --> 01:09:41,342
what you were

905
01:09:42,994 --> 01:09:44,800
It won't happen again.� 

906
01:09:47,821 --> 01:09:50,032
The tigers have found me

907
01:09:50,775 --> 01:09:52,277
and I don't care.� 

908
01:09:55,229 --> 01:09:57,102
She was a beautiful woman.� 

909
01:09:59,111 --> 01:10:00,579
Well, forget it.� 

910
01:10:28,675 --> 01:10:31,021
Maybe the second woman
with which I left.

911
01:10:31,949 --> 01:10:33,434
The other was
- Only one

912
01:10:34,582 --> 01:10:37,806
120 or 130 kilo whore.

913
01:10:39,713 --> 01:10:42,008
That was at 24, 25? 

914
01:10:42,732 --> 01:10:43,627
I had

915
01:10:44,032 --> 01:10:47,661
24, 25. She had 
around 35.� 

916
01:10:48,218 --> 01:10:50,074
And he just accepted me�.� 

917
01:10:50,579 --> 01:10:52,942
He brought me all these drinks and...

918
01:10:54,748 --> 01:10:58,511
I don't understand it, but she 
was a real

919
01:10:58,611 --> 01:11:02,005
good looking woman,� 
with body and common sense.� 

920
01:11:02,392 --> 01:11:03,894
A little crazy.�

921
01:11:04,856 --> 01:11:06,864
For me it was like a miracle.� 

922
01:11:06,964 --> 01:11:12,419
Of course he didn't act very excited.
Why don't you just do that?

923
01:11:13,328 --> 01:11:15,741
So I thought that 
I really had something.� 

924
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:18,492
And I had a lot of problems.� 

925
01:11:19,925 --> 01:11:20,988
That's all.� 

926
01:11:21,562 --> 01:11:24,955
She had beautiful legs, 
She wore high-heeled shoes.� 

927
01:11:25,613 --> 01:11:28,130
I knew how to cross my legs 
with the

928
01:11:28,653 --> 01:11:34,206
skirt like that. Hitting the heel like this and
talking about all kinds of shit� 

929
01:11:35,316 --> 01:11:37,409
Nothing like beautiful legs.� 

930
01:11:38,337 --> 01:11:41,373
Because with beautiful
legs you always assume,

931
01:11:42,862 --> 01:11:45,546
even if you have only
been there once or twice,�

932
01:11:45,646 --> 01:11:49,019
that there will be something more there
besides a pussy.� 

933
01:11:49,119 --> 01:11:53,474
You know, there might be something.
really wonderful this time.

934
01:11:53,574 --> 01:11:56,038
It could be a pussy,
but it would be

935
01:11:56,715 --> 01:12:00,142
There's something about looking 
legs that make you dream.� 

936
01:12:00,648 --> 01:12:05,998
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with
the pussy. But you always imagine

937
01:12:06,269 --> 01:12:10,961
an extra magic when you look
the outer part of the female.� 

938
01:12:11,298 --> 01:12:15,163
Were you really in love with her?
I mean, it lasted some time.

939
01:12:15,263 --> 01:12:19,451
I was in love because it was the first
person who paid attention to me 

940
01:12:19,856 --> 01:12:21,004
in my life.�

941
01:12:22,347 --> 01:12:23,866
So I was flattered.� 

942
01:12:23,966 --> 01:12:25,757
You know, she used to say:

943
01:12:25,857 --> 01:12:29,470
"You have the most beautiful eyes ever."
"any man I've ever known."

944
01:12:29,570 --> 01:12:32,052
All this kind of shit, so...� 

945
01:12:33,113 --> 01:12:35,628
One falls easily the first time.� 

946
01:12:36,083 --> 01:12:39,710
And every time one falls again,
It does it less easily.� 

947
01:12:40,169 --> 01:12:44,136
Until in the end one falls and
again, and then it doesn't fall anymore.

948
01:12:44,419 --> 01:12:47,102
You accept it, but you no longer fall.

949
01:12:48,807 --> 01:12:50,073
"Anything else?"

950
01:12:50,967 --> 01:12:54,292
Wanda was fine but 
men could not

951
01:12:55,575 --> 01:13:01,075
endure her because she attacked them,
physically. With bottles or suddenly

952
01:13:01,548 --> 01:13:04,940
sat next to him in a bar,� 
He threw a glass in their faces,� 

953
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,320
or acted erratically.� 

954
01:13:08,264 --> 01:13:12,618
But he never did it with me, except
once, and then he cured her.

955
01:13:14,004 --> 01:13:17,126
He did it twice, and cured her
twice and never did it again.� 

956
01:13:17,226 --> 01:13:18,679
I'm not going to go into details.� 

957
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:22,814
Nothing tortuous,
only � counterweight

958
01:13:23,401 --> 01:13:24,566
psychology.� 

959
01:13:27,468 --> 01:13:28,953
She was perceptive.

960
01:13:30,675 --> 01:13:33,004
And, I had a strange one

961
01:13:34,118 --> 01:13:37,171
and crazy kind of feeling 
who knew something

962
01:13:37,951 --> 01:13:39,453
What was this:

963
01:13:39,723 --> 01:13:42,964
most beings
Humans aren't worth shit.

964
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:46,082
And I felt that, and she felt that.

965
01:13:46,587 --> 01:13:49,507
So we had something to
share.

966
01:13:51,650 --> 01:13:52,714
That's all.� 

967
01:13:53,709 --> 01:13:54,874
"Anything else?"

968
01:14:24,428 --> 01:14:25,845
How is everything going? 
-Very good.� 

969
01:14:25,945 --> 01:14:30,565
You said that feminists 
They attacked you, they haven't read "Women."

970
01:14:31,712 --> 01:14:34,362
What would they find?  
if they read it correctly?

971
01:14:35,930 --> 01:14:37,382
They would find

972
01:14:37,922 --> 01:14:40,656
that in a relationship 
between men and women� 

973
01:14:41,517 --> 01:14:45,346
I cared more about women.
than they cared about me�.� 

974
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,646
That was the most interesting thing.

975
01:14:48,591 --> 01:14:51,511
and more alive and more humorous

976
01:14:51,912 --> 01:14:52,775
and...�

977
01:14:53,112 --> 01:14:55,610
happiest of our relationships.� 

978
01:14:57,617 --> 01:15:02,495
The fact that I wrote the book� 
In this way it is one of the tests.� 

979
01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:08,821
I was too alive to write it
and live through them.� 

980
01:15:10,677 --> 01:15:13,511
And, I'm not the hero in the book.� 

981
01:15:13,953 --> 01:15:16,553
I am not the winner, you see.� 

982
01:15:17,801 --> 01:15:18,679
What...� 

983
01:15:19,654 --> 01:15:23,064
feminists look for, like
you called, saying

984
01:15:23,788 --> 01:15:25,796
"He said this! He did that!"

985
01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:30,876
But they never see when
she did this, she did that.

986
01:15:33,541 --> 01:15:35,769
So I would say, basically

987
01:15:36,411 --> 01:15:38,824
that they are sick 
and I'm fine.� 

988
01:15:39,989 --> 01:15:41,001
Forgive me.

989
01:15:46,519 --> 01:15:47,413
Good.� 

990
01:15:49,236 --> 01:15:52,342
Calm and clean girls
in square dresses.

991
01:15:54,771 --> 01:15:59,801
All the ones I've met are whores,� 
ex-prostitutes, crazy.� 

992
01:16:01,453 --> 01:16:04,356
I see men with calm,
gentle women.

993
01:16:05,318 --> 01:16:08,508
I see you in � 
I see them in supermarkets.

994
01:16:09,521 --> 01:16:12,069
I see them walking
through the streets together,� 

995
01:16:13,570 --> 01:16:15,578
I see them in their apartments:� 

996
01:16:16,135 --> 01:16:18,684
people in peace, living together.� 

997
01:16:20,201 --> 01:16:22,851
I know your peace is only partial,

998
01:16:23,441 --> 01:16:24,927
but there is peace,� 

999
01:16:25,551 --> 01:16:28,218
often hours and days of peace.� 

1000
01:16:29,870 --> 01:16:33,533
All the ones I have known are 
pillboxes, alcoholics,

1001
01:16:34,444 --> 01:16:36,706
whores, ex-prostitutes,�

1002
01:16:37,414 --> 01:16:38,461
crazy.� 

1003
01:16:40,418 --> 01:16:44,891
When one leaves another arrives,
worse than the previous one.

1004
01:16:46,983 --> 01:16:51,913
I see so many men with girls
calm and clean in square dresses,

1005
01:16:53,331 --> 01:16:56,251
girls with faces that don't
they are fierce

1006
01:16:56,636 --> 01:16:57,935
or predators.� 

1007
01:17:00,195 --> 01:17:03,554
Don't even think about bringing a whore,
I tell my friends,� 

1008
01:17:04,077 --> 01:17:05,934
I will fall in love with her.

1009
01:17:07,233 --> 01:17:10,254
"You couldn't stand a
good woman, Bukowski."

1010
01:17:12,295 --> 01:17:13,865
I need a good woman.� 

1011
01:17:15,367 --> 01:17:18,692
I need a good woman more than
I need this typewriter,

1012
01:17:19,434 --> 01:17:21,695
more than I need my car,�

1013
01:17:22,218 --> 01:17:24,075
more than I need Mozart;� 

1014
01:17:25,459 --> 01:17:29,780
I need a good woman so much
that I can taste it in the air,

1015
01:17:30,402 --> 01:17:32,596
I can feel it 
at the tips of my fingers,

1016
01:17:33,643 --> 01:17:35,634
I can see sidewalks built

1017
01:17:36,191 --> 01:17:38,234
so that your feet can walk them,

1018
01:17:39,464 --> 01:17:41,810
I can see pillows 
for your head,

1019
01:17:42,738 --> 01:17:45,202
I can feel my laughter waiting,

1020
01:17:46,772 --> 01:17:48,831
I can see her petting a cat,

1021
01:17:49,842 --> 01:17:51,614
I can see her sleeping

1022
01:17:52,222 --> 01:17:55,040
I can see her slippers on the floor.

1023
01:17:56,391 --> 01:17:58,484
I know it exists

1024
01:17:59,900 --> 01:18:02,819
but where is she 
on this earth

1025
01:18:03,596 --> 01:18:06,026
while the whores keep coming?

1026
01:18:07,646 --> 01:18:09,249
Yes, where is it?

1027
01:18:11,426 --> 01:18:12,844
Nowhere.� 

1028
01:18:41,328 --> 01:18:43,961
What are the places 
where did you live

1029
01:18:44,061 --> 01:18:48,821
apart from Carlton Way and the Longpre
What were the last two before this one? 

1030
01:18:50,139 --> 01:18:53,411
 �They were very similar, the Longpre� 
And Carlton Way? - Yes.

1031
01:18:53,691 --> 01:18:58,385
I think of all places 
that we shared with Jane, that were

1032
01:18:59,921 --> 01:19:05,021
sometimes a week, or two weeks,� 
or two nights because we were fighting

1033
01:19:06,219 --> 01:19:09,088
We got a fancy place and� 

1034
01:19:09,188 --> 01:19:13,072
We were sober, you know, and he
landlord came and said:

1035
01:19:13,325 --> 01:19:18,492
"Let's give them a nice new one."
red carpet This other one is dirty. "� 

1036
01:19:18,592 --> 01:19:21,846
And we were like ladies and gentlemen,
Oh yes, and Jane said:

1037
01:19:21,946 --> 01:19:25,760
"Oh, thank you." We acted
worthily, you know.

1038
01:19:25,860 --> 01:19:27,146
In this place,

1039
01:19:27,246 --> 01:19:32,075
They ripped out the green carpet, all torn,� 
and they brought a beautiful red carpet.

1040
01:19:32,175 --> 01:19:36,818
And they admired us. They thought
that we had something, you know.

1041
01:19:37,443 --> 01:19:39,943
Then we had a fight one night� 

1042
01:19:40,043 --> 01:19:45,529
For 5 or 6 hours. broken glass
and screams� Ah, shit.

1043
01:19:46,062 --> 01:19:51,682
So in the morning I said to Jane:
"We're done here, honey."

1044
01:19:51,935 --> 01:19:55,647
Suddenly the door opened.�
The guy had tears in his eyes.� 

1045
01:19:55,747 --> 01:19:59,073
"They are ruining my career!
I thought they were decent people! 

1046
01:19:59,173 --> 01:20:01,621
They have to go!
"You have to leave the room!"

1047
01:20:01,721 --> 01:20:05,251
I said, "Well, buddy, we'll go.
Just give us what is ours."

1048
01:20:05,351 --> 01:20:10,044
We did that all the time.
We went from place to place.

1049
01:20:10,295 --> 01:20:15,040
We paid for a week but never
we lasted so long. They reimbursed us.

1050
01:20:15,306 --> 01:20:17,601
There would be broken mirrors.� 

1051
01:20:17,922 --> 01:20:22,799
And we keep going around and around.� 
It got so tiring, you know.� 

1052
01:20:22,899 --> 01:20:26,190
We used to knock on doors and
Some of them already knew us,� 

1053
01:20:26,290 --> 01:20:28,216
and they didn't rent to us.

1054
01:20:28,316 --> 01:20:31,405
So we went around and around.� 

1055
01:20:32,586 --> 01:20:37,379
I don't even know where the money came from.
I had part-time jobs.

1056
01:20:37,700 --> 01:20:41,582
And one morning they were
around 3:30� no� 

1057
01:20:42,509 --> 01:20:47,791
It was 11 in the morning, 
on Sunday. I said, "Hey, Jane."� 

1058
01:20:48,028 --> 01:20:50,779
She said, "What's wrong son of a bitch?
Give me a drink."

1059
01:20:50,879 --> 01:20:53,275
I said, “Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.

1060
01:20:53,375 --> 01:20:55,655
There is something wrong.� 

1061
01:20:55,908 --> 01:21:00,515
I have parked my car in
in the middle of the street. 

1062
01:21:02,134 --> 01:21:04,311
I'm blocking all traffic.� 

1063
01:21:04,969 --> 01:21:07,012
They have towed my car.

1064
01:21:07,112 --> 01:21:10,202
"Oh shit, sons of..."
No, I remember being drunk

1065
01:21:10,302 --> 01:21:12,043
and couldn't find 
parking,

1066
01:21:12,143 --> 01:21:14,895
So I said, "I'm going to park."
in the middle of the street."

1067
01:21:15,247 --> 01:21:16,412
 �Oh shit!��Shit!� 

1068
01:21:16,512 --> 01:21:20,429
You know, women always think
They don't know what you're thinking.� 

1069
01:21:20,529 --> 01:21:24,902
So, I put on my clothes and looked
the first street and I couldn't find it...� 

1070
01:21:25,002 --> 01:21:29,662
Here I was on third street,� 
He had blocked the entire street.� 

1071
01:21:29,963 --> 01:21:32,189
Here was the car parked,

1072
01:21:32,666 --> 01:21:35,366
but luckily, 
It was 11 in the morning

1073
01:21:35,466 --> 01:21:39,755
and no one on that street was going to
the church.�Everyone was... you know.� 

1074
01:21:40,616 --> 01:21:46,162
So I went in, put the key in and 
I turned it on and took it out of there.

1075
01:21:46,262 --> 01:21:49,116
I had blocked everything

1076
01:21:51,831 --> 01:21:52,878
the avenue

1077
01:21:52,978 --> 01:21:54,667
Was it the Plymouth?
- The street.

1078
01:21:55,004 --> 01:21:58,549
I don't remember what car it was.
but it barely started.

1079
01:21:58,649 --> 01:22:00,405
When I turned it on it did

1080
01:22:00,963 --> 01:22:06,109
They were wild days. we were
always drunk, and they kicked us out...

1081
01:22:06,362 --> 01:22:09,991
He had two cars. Yes one.
It broke, I had another...� 

1082
01:22:10,091 --> 01:22:14,158
It was a continuous walk through the
bars, get in trouble,�

1083
01:22:14,258 --> 01:22:16,302
be expelled from rooms.� 

1084
01:22:16,402 --> 01:22:18,496
It was a tension that

1085
01:22:21,279 --> 01:22:26,764
But there was a certain joy because
We both didn't give a shit

1086
01:22:27,220 --> 01:22:29,785
Could you write 
during that time?

1087
01:22:29,885 --> 01:22:34,982
What? Oh no, of course not. No.
there was time - Were you able to write while?

1088
01:22:35,387 --> 01:22:40,248
And if she went to prison, I got her out.
If I went to prison, she wouldn't get me out.

1089
01:22:41,090 --> 01:22:42,592
So, it was horrible.� 

1090
01:22:43,571 --> 01:22:48,297
But there was one constant... it was like...
being in a war, it never ended

1091
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:20,831
This speaks for itself.� 

1092
01:23:22,232 --> 01:23:24,426
I wouldn't go there, you see.�

1093
01:23:26,167 --> 01:23:30,112
Only a fool could go there,� 
I could be. Yes�.� 

1094
01:23:33,404 --> 01:23:37,522
Time Motel, you can go there�,� 
You pay 15 minutes for a bed.� 

1095
01:23:40,238 --> 01:23:44,728
And here we have the cars
all broken.

1096
01:23:44,828 --> 01:23:48,289
Is this Carlton Way?
- Yes, look at the guy here.� 

1097
01:23:48,811 --> 01:23:51,848
This is where I lived, 
but now...� 

1098
01:23:53,401 --> 01:23:54,836
Somehow I escaped.� 

1099
01:23:55,916 --> 01:23:58,043
Which I'm glad about.

1100
01:24:00,387 --> 01:24:04,488
It's not that the poor are not well,� 
There are so many...

1101
01:24:22,841 --> 01:24:27,465
Lots of action here. This is a
place of action.�It was a place of action.� 

1102
01:24:29,632 --> 01:24:31,202
It still seems to be.� 

1103
01:24:32,180 --> 01:24:33,077
So...�

1104
01:24:33,347 --> 01:24:36,942
Who were your neighbors?
Sam from the whorehouse? 

1105
01:24:37,042 --> 01:24:40,013
Yes, Sam from the house 
of whores and

1106
01:24:41,073 --> 01:24:43,014
a lesbian couple,� 

1107
01:24:43,114 --> 01:24:45,748
a couple of 
homosexuals up,� 

1108
01:24:46,135 --> 01:24:48,312
a couple of traffickers 
of drugs...� 

1109
01:24:49,831 --> 01:24:53,848
It's more familiar now.
It'll be nicer, I guess.

1110
01:24:56,429 --> 01:24:59,889
I'm glad I don't live here now.
Not exactly my...� 

1111
01:25:00,530 --> 01:25:01,627
atmosphere.� 

1112
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,170
So I really don't know...

1113
01:25:11,343 --> 01:25:13,588
This is where I wrote
 'Women', yes�.� 

1114
01:25:13,976 --> 01:25:16,207
This is where I did 
my research.� 

1115
01:25:17,405 --> 01:25:20,393
And one of them 
He sat on the couch.

1116
01:25:20,493 --> 01:25:23,971
One morning I had three
them sitting on this couch.� 

1117
01:25:24,222 --> 01:25:26,028
The postman came.� 

1118
01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:31,007
The next day he asked me: "Hank, how
do you do it? How do you get them?"

1119
01:25:31,107 --> 01:25:35,124
I told him: "The problem is not how the 
you get, but how to get rid of them."

1120
01:25:36,105 --> 01:25:37,050
So

1121
01:25:39,697 --> 01:25:44,710
Sometimes people think that you have
something, you have something wrong, you know.

1122
01:25:45,282 --> 01:25:46,177
So

1123
01:25:47,156 --> 01:25:49,654
Function�.� 
It became writing.� 

1124
01:25:52,879 --> 01:25:56,016
All these sounds that you hear
They are the sounds of my children.

1125
01:25:58,060 --> 01:25:59,157
No. No.

1126
01:25:59,493 --> 01:26:02,786
But before that you lived in
in a similar place, a ghetto. 

1127
01:26:02,886 --> 01:26:05,824
I have always lived in ghettos.� 
I like ghettos.� 

1128
01:26:06,499 --> 01:26:10,378
You can enter drunk, leave drunk.
It's not like an apartment,� 

1129
01:26:10,478 --> 01:26:13,889
where everyone knows what
shit you're doing.

1130
01:26:14,919 --> 01:26:17,079
In a neighborhood of murderers.

1131
01:26:22,171 --> 01:26:24,855
Cockroaches spit
paper clips

1132
01:26:26,036 --> 01:26:30,559
and the helicopter goes in circles
smelling the blood,

1133
01:26:32,954 --> 01:26:36,279
peeking with its reflectors
in our bedroom.

1134
01:26:38,507 --> 01:26:41,613
Five guys on this street
They have guns,

1135
01:26:42,793 --> 01:26:44,684
another, one
machete.� 

1136
01:26:46,355 --> 01:26:49,038
We are all murderers and
alcoholics�

1137
01:26:50,574 --> 01:26:53,745
but there are worse in the hotel� 
crossing the street.� 

1138
01:26:55,467 --> 01:26:58,285
They sit at the door 
green and white,� 

1139
01:26:59,146 --> 01:27:01,106
banal and depraved,

1140
01:27:01,206 --> 01:27:03,638
waiting to be 
institutionalized.� 

1141
01:27:05,308 --> 01:27:09,393
Here everyone has a little 
green plant on the window

1142
01:27:10,417 --> 01:27:13,573
and we fight with our women 
at 3 in the morning.

1143
01:27:14,147 --> 01:27:15,801
We talk� 
gently� 

1144
01:27:17,337 --> 01:27:20,848
and on every porch
There is a small plate of food,� 

1145
01:27:22,297 --> 01:27:24,289
always eaten in the morning,� 

1146
01:27:24,525 --> 01:27:25,757
we suppose,� 

1147
01:27:26,753 --> 01:27:28,120
for the cats.� 

1148
01:27:58,108 --> 01:27:59,356
 �Zootsuits� 

1149
01:27:59,456 --> 01:28:01,883
Oh� the zoots. Good� 

1150
01:28:04,811 --> 01:28:07,123
It was World War II.� 

1151
01:28:07,832 --> 01:28:08,845
And

1152
01:28:11,573 --> 01:28:12,552
of course,� 

1153
01:28:13,311 --> 01:28:17,632
I was one of the few who 
He was not interested in the War.

1154
01:28:18,965 --> 01:28:21,176
It was a very patriotic time.

1155
01:28:22,441 --> 01:28:24,298
You know it now, you know that

1156
01:28:25,344 --> 01:28:29,245
Jane Fonda's anti-war stuff
They didn't have much value,� 

1157
01:28:29,345 --> 01:28:32,723
because everyone was against her.
She was there screaming.� 

1158
01:28:32,823 --> 01:28:35,186
Shaking his ass against the war.� 

1159
01:28:35,843 --> 01:28:38,189
It was worthless, you know.� 

1160
01:28:38,442 --> 01:28:41,632
During World War II,� 
If you were against the war,� 

1161
01:28:42,138 --> 01:28:44,704
you were a cockroach

1162
01:28:46,978 --> 01:28:48,548
But as I have always said,� 

1163
01:28:49,576 --> 01:28:51,888
there are no good wars
nor bad wars.� 

1164
01:28:51,988 --> 01:28:54,673
Guys die or get blown up
the balls.

1165
01:28:54,773 --> 01:28:57,137
And someone wins and someone loses.� 

1166
01:28:57,997 --> 01:29:00,647
And when it's all over
and the smoke dissipates

1167
01:29:00,934 --> 01:29:03,280
only corruption remains.

1168
01:29:04,225 --> 01:29:06,520
But, back to the zoot.� 

1169
01:29:07,768 --> 01:29:12,054
They were my only allies.
because I was not interested in the war� 

1170
01:29:12,898 --> 01:29:13,725
and...� 

1171
01:29:15,058 --> 01:29:20,812
And the Mexicans don't either because they were dying
of hunger on the east side of Los Angeles.� 

1172
01:29:22,601 --> 01:29:25,454
So they were very neat, 
these Mexicans.� 

1173
01:29:26,566 --> 01:29:30,043
They used these things called
zoot suits, and they�

1174
01:29:30,296 --> 01:29:33,013
They carried small knives, 
razors.

1175
01:29:33,638 --> 01:29:36,760
They were out there attacking
to members of the troops.

1176
01:29:37,653 --> 01:29:39,391
Cutting throats of sailors.� 

1177
01:29:40,083 --> 01:29:43,476
Killing them, making them shit
shit with their gangs.

1178
01:29:44,995 --> 01:29:45,872
And...� 

1179
01:29:46,581 --> 01:29:51,154
And it was beautiful, because
I was so against the tide� 

1180
01:29:51,254 --> 01:29:53,804
American patriotic.

1181
01:29:54,496 --> 01:29:55,391
I thought...

1182
01:29:55,491 --> 01:29:59,288
 �Shit!�These guys are just like me.� 
They are not interested in war,� 

1183
01:29:59,388 --> 01:30:01,398
In fact, they don't even like it.� 

1184
01:30:02,511 --> 01:30:06,729
Well, I didn't dislike it. It didn't matter.
I didn't care, you know.� 

1185
01:30:06,829 --> 01:30:09,092
I didn't want to cut
sailors' throats.� 

1186
01:30:09,192 --> 01:30:13,413
If they want to go to war, let them go.� 
Hey baby, save the world� 

1187
01:30:14,189 --> 01:30:16,687
But these guys were...

1188
01:30:17,090 --> 01:30:19,301
something magical and

1189
01:30:19,892 --> 01:30:24,196
I felt a great affinity towards them, but 
I didn't want to join their gangs, because

1190
01:30:24,296 --> 01:30:25,968
how is a man going to walk 
white guy saying:

1191
01:30:26,321 --> 01:30:27,317
"Hey, man.� 

1192
01:30:27,417 --> 01:30:29,899
"I'll help you cut a sailor."

1193
01:30:30,186 --> 01:30:33,376
Hey! Here's this guy... 
of the white face.� 

1194
01:30:34,304 --> 01:30:35,334
Likewise,

1195
01:30:36,109 --> 01:30:40,767
anything against the current,
When the current goes in this direction,

1196
01:30:41,021 --> 01:30:44,227
and a group stands up and
goes a little different way,

1197
01:30:44,563 --> 01:30:46,251
I'm very interested.� 

1198
01:30:47,129 --> 01:30:49,711
It's so easy to get carried away, you know.

1199
01:30:50,757 --> 01:30:53,205
The zoot suits were 
very interesting.

1200
01:30:53,743 --> 01:30:57,271
And now, I believe that in these
times have become� 

1201
01:30:57,878 --> 01:31:02,148
a kind of magical heroes.� 
They do small works on them and

1202
01:31:03,362 --> 01:31:09,151
But at that time it was very difficult
for them. Finally, the Navy  

1203
01:31:09,623 --> 01:31:12,509
He got angry with the Mexicans.
and they began to

1204
01:31:13,065 --> 01:31:15,985
They went into East L.A. and

1205
01:31:16,491 --> 01:31:19,174
They grabbed Mexicans and
They shit hard.

1206
01:31:19,274 --> 01:31:21,858
They had to escape
the whole city.

1207
01:31:21,958 --> 01:31:25,268
They beat Mexicans because

1208
01:31:25,589 --> 01:31:27,715
all mexicans
 They had zoot suits.

1209
01:31:28,661 --> 01:31:31,850
So that's how it happened.
It ended badly.� 

1210
01:31:32,286 --> 01:31:35,527
Because there are more types in the
Armada what zoots.

1211
01:31:36,016 --> 01:31:37,383
So, there you go.

1212
01:31:39,155 --> 01:31:42,075
It was a very glamorous band.� 
I liked it

1213
01:31:42,428 --> 01:31:46,495
the slightest outburst against
authority at that time.

1214
01:31:49,078 --> 01:31:50,107
That's all.� 

1215
01:32:24,158 --> 01:32:26,824
When I start drinking...� 
Now I drink, you know,� 

1216
01:32:26,924 --> 01:32:30,031
two or three bottles of� 
came at night, and I write.

1217
01:32:32,694 --> 01:32:35,310
I always do my work while 
I'm taking so,

1218
01:32:37,589 --> 01:32:38,753
It's okay.�

1219
01:32:40,221 --> 01:32:41,980
Before a reading,

1220
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,963
you take an incredible amount
of drink. More than usual.

1221
01:32:46,063 --> 01:32:46,942
It's fear.

1222
01:32:48,411 --> 01:32:49,440
Go on.

1223
01:32:49,929 --> 01:32:54,081
However, upon reaching the stage
You don't seem afraid. Is it an act?

1224
01:32:54,181 --> 01:32:56,511
Or...it's like that because

1225
01:32:57,845 --> 01:32:59,600
Joe...I'm lucky.� 

1226
01:33:00,290 --> 01:33:01,556
Once I leave,� 

1227
01:33:01,894 --> 01:33:03,210
I look at them�� 

1228
01:33:03,564 --> 01:33:05,978
Do you know what I do?
Taken a look

1229
01:33:06,078 --> 01:33:09,168
to the second or third
line and see those faces.� 

1230
01:33:09,858 --> 01:33:13,234
suddenly I feel 
completely superior.� 

1231
01:33:14,955 --> 01:33:17,132
I don't know what's going on, but...

1232
01:33:17,574 --> 01:33:21,451
Because in the expressions of
those faces, men and women,�

1233
01:33:22,012 --> 01:33:23,717
there is no challenge.

1234
01:33:24,696 --> 01:33:27,679
So, once there
I calm down� 

1235
01:33:28,354 --> 01:33:31,394
I think before seeing them,
while I'm waiting,� 

1236
01:33:31,749 --> 01:33:36,339
I guess I'll find one
audience of a strange kind of

1237
01:33:37,186 --> 01:33:41,112
group, you know. But once
When I see them, everything is over.

1238
01:33:42,148 --> 01:33:47,559
So it's great. I read without problems.
There is no fear, I am on my game.� 

1239
01:33:47,796 --> 01:33:49,245
Technically.� 

1240
01:33:49,568 --> 01:33:50,851
Deliciously.

1241
01:33:51,222 --> 01:33:55,037
Of course then I drink a lot
and I'm going to hell.

1242
01:33:55,882 --> 01:33:59,257
But there is no fear,� 
finally, when I get to the tables.� 

1243
01:34:00,270 --> 01:34:03,207
There can be no fear,�
because I see them.

1244
01:34:03,561 --> 01:34:05,148
What do I see?

1245
01:34:07,302 --> 01:34:08,096
That.

1246
01:34:09,259 --> 01:34:11,014
What is there to fear?

1247
01:34:14,794 --> 01:34:17,309
So I read, I take my money, 
and I'm leaving.

1248
01:34:18,270 --> 01:34:22,658
So, do you think you are... what?
what you do on stage is a bit

1249
01:34:22,911 --> 01:34:25,443
affected by your expectations? 

1250
01:34:25,543 --> 01:34:30,471
I think you're right. I think,
in a certain sense, before reading� 

1251
01:34:30,997 --> 01:34:33,646
I know they wait for the drunk

1252
01:34:35,807 --> 01:34:39,908
an idiotic and clownish class 
of creature. So I give them that.

1253
01:34:40,008 --> 01:34:43,199
You don't think that's a
danger to your integrity as� 

1254
01:34:43,299 --> 01:34:45,917
Of course it is a danger 
for my integrity.�

1255
01:34:46,017 --> 01:34:50,367
But, I do have enough integrity� 
more than enough, I'll be fine.� 

1256
01:34:50,467 --> 01:34:53,344
No? It depends on how much
you load

1257
01:34:54,183 --> 01:34:57,053
That's why I don't read
a lot and if I did

1258
01:34:57,153 --> 01:35:00,137
or give away my integrity 
once a week,

1259
01:35:00,237 --> 01:35:01,759
I would be in danger.� 

1260
01:35:01,859 --> 01:35:05,505
But once every two years,
It's like a mosquito bite.� 

1261
01:35:08,201 --> 01:35:10,227
I don't like it, Joe.� 

1262
01:35:11,256 --> 01:35:12,893
But I love money.� 

1263
01:35:13,824 --> 01:35:18,127
I have nothing against money.� 
Give me all the money you want.

1264
01:35:18,616 --> 01:35:20,523
I'm not going to reject it.

1265
01:35:22,363 --> 01:35:25,201
Cause I've been broke
so many times.� 

1266
01:35:25,301 --> 01:35:28,559
I've been so broken,
Starving for so long.

1267
01:35:28,659 --> 01:35:30,888
I realize the value of money.� 

1268
01:35:31,847 --> 01:35:34,463
It's tremendous.��Money is magical!� 

1269
01:35:35,891 --> 01:35:37,882
I'm going to take everything I can.� 

1270
01:35:38,625 --> 01:35:40,920
I hope I never skip
a meal again.

1271
01:35:42,355 --> 01:35:45,173
But you won't have too much
at a certain point?

1272
01:35:48,029 --> 01:35:51,033
Not yet. Give me a little more 
and try me.

1273
01:35:53,652 --> 01:35:54,664
Try me.

1274
01:35:57,871 --> 01:35:59,677
But there is nothing 

1275
01:35:59,777 --> 01:36:02,835
What do you want and don't have now?

1276
01:36:02,935 --> 01:36:05,755
I mean, you don't think about
Things like that, right?

1277
01:36:05,855 --> 01:36:08,827
Don't you want a sailboat? 
-The only thing I'm missing now...

1278
01:36:10,204 --> 01:36:15,065
It is more intimacy. I would like
be alone more than I am.

1279
01:36:15,907 --> 01:36:18,101
The phone rings too much

1280
01:36:18,759 --> 01:36:24,734
There are too many cameras and how
I accept it, but it's not me.� 

1281
01:36:25,475 --> 01:36:30,673
When these things go I go
I go to my room and I'm me again.

1282
01:36:31,992 --> 01:36:35,553
Many times, I return to
the shadows as before

1283
01:36:35,653 --> 01:36:40,549
and I throw myself in the room
for five or six hours, alone.

1284
01:36:41,559 --> 01:36:45,003
I throw myself on that bed
and I get something in return.� 

1285
01:36:45,557 --> 01:36:47,194
Some kind of juice.� 

1286
01:36:47,294 --> 01:36:52,022
Just being away from people is a
of the most wonderful achievements

1287
01:36:52,596 --> 01:36:54,553
that a man like 
I can have.�

1288
01:36:54,874 --> 01:36:57,252
The absence of humanity

1289
01:36:57,606 --> 01:36:59,935
It's such a divine grace.

1290
01:37:00,425 --> 01:37:03,598
that even God would understand
if he invented them.

1291
01:37:03,866 --> 01:37:06,043
Nobody� 
-That probably not

1292
01:37:41,133 --> 01:37:42,280
I can now.

1293
01:37:47,995 --> 01:37:48,974
Say when.� 

1294
01:37:49,211 --> 01:37:50,375
Whenever you want.

1295
01:37:50,797 --> 01:37:51,725
Ok� 

1296
01:37:54,171 --> 01:37:57,158
Jesus. Where are the pretty ones?
girls in the audience?

1297
01:37:57,258 --> 01:37:58,745
Where are the little ones?

1298
01:37:58,981 --> 01:38:00,871
groupies? It is not

1299
01:38:02,338 --> 01:38:05,832
They don't want to come see me after
reading. They don't want to...

1300
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:09,089
sucking my big toe.

1301
01:38:10,066 --> 01:38:13,509
Hey little one! Yes, you can have
my autograph, baby.

1302
01:38:14,168 --> 01:38:16,598
That destroys you, I tell you� 

1303
01:38:17,037 --> 01:38:17,864
Okay.

1304
01:38:34,013 --> 01:38:35,026
The Crisis.

1305
01:38:40,926 --> 01:38:41,989
Too much,�

1306
01:38:42,664 --> 01:38:43,694
too little,

1307
01:38:45,128 --> 01:38:46,073
too fat,

1308
01:38:47,019 --> 01:38:48,909
too skinny
or nobody.� 

1309
01:38:50,432 --> 01:38:52,339
Laughter o� 
tears

1310
01:38:53,369 --> 01:38:55,090
Hate,
lovers.

1311
01:38:56,525 --> 01:38:59,563
Strangers with faces like
heads 

1312
01:39:00,051 --> 01:39:01,131
of nails.

1313
01:39:02,532 --> 01:39:05,587
Arms running across
of streets of blood,

1314
01:39:06,481 --> 01:39:08,355
shaking wine bottles,

1315
01:39:09,383 --> 01:39:10,413
threading 

1316
01:39:11,004 --> 01:39:12,523
and fucking virgins.

1317
01:39:13,924 --> 01:39:16,371
An old man in a
cheap room,

1318
01:39:17,265 --> 01:39:20,285
with a photo of Marylin Monroe.

1319
01:39:22,398 --> 01:39:25,419
There is such a great loneliness 
in this world

1320
01:39:26,293 --> 01:39:30,545
that you can see it in the slow movement 
from the hands of the clock.

1321
01:39:32,590 --> 01:39:34,261
People so tired,

1322
01:39:34,936 --> 01:39:36,101
mutilated,

1323
01:39:37,076 --> 01:39:39,473
whether for love or not love.

1324
01:39:41,345 --> 01:39:45,294
people are not good 
with the others,

1325
01:39:47,605 --> 01:39:50,271
the rich are not good 
with the rich,

1326
01:39:51,385 --> 01:39:54,187
the poor are not good 
with the poor.

1327
01:39:55,740 --> 01:39:57,613
We are afraid.

1328
01:39:59,503 --> 01:40:03,908
Our educational system 
tells us that we can all have

1329
01:40:04,532 --> 01:40:06,169
big winning asses.

1330
01:40:07,569 --> 01:40:09,932
He didn't tell us about
the sewers

1331
01:40:10,759 --> 01:40:12,311
or suicides.

1332
01:40:13,442 --> 01:40:15,721
Or the terror of a person

1333
01:40:16,428 --> 01:40:18,808
suffering in one place,
alone,

1334
01:40:19,837 --> 01:40:20,833
without being touched,

1335
01:40:21,322 --> 01:40:22,993
don't even talk to him,

1336
01:40:23,635 --> 01:40:25,137
watering a plant

1337
01:40:26,975 --> 01:40:29,608
people are not good 
with the others.

1338
01:40:31,042 --> 01:40:33,827
people are not good
with the others.

1339
01:40:34,907 --> 01:40:37,894
people are not good 
with the others.

1340
01:40:39,464 --> 01:40:41,894
I guess they never will be.

1341
01:40:42,873 --> 01:40:44,949
I'm not asking you to be

1342
01:40:46,010 --> 01:40:48,221
but sometimes I think about that.

1343
01:40:51,023 --> 01:40:54,685
The blood cells will flow,
the clouds will cloud

1344
01:40:55,578 --> 01:40:57,958
and the murderer will behead the child

1345
01:40:58,751 --> 01:41:02,009
like taking a little 
of an ice cream cone.

1346
01:41:04,169 --> 01:41:05,266
too much,

1347
01:41:05,604 --> 01:41:06,616
too little,

1348
01:41:07,543 --> 01:41:08,421
too fat,

1349
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,425
too skinny
or nobody.

1350
01:41:12,978 --> 01:41:15,189
More hate than lovers.

1351
01:41:16,773 --> 01:41:19,119
people are not good 
with the others.

1352
01:41:20,622 --> 01:41:23,339
Maybe if they were,
our deaths 

1353
01:41:23,946 --> 01:41:25,752
They wouldn't be so sad.

1354
01:41:27,389 --> 01:41:29,904
Meanwhile, 
I look at the girls,

1355
01:41:30,984 --> 01:41:33,397
shoots,
flowers of opportunity.

1356
01:41:34,628 --> 01:41:36,332
There must be a way.

1357
01:41:37,818 --> 01:41:41,480
Surely there must be a way
that we haven't found yet.

1358
01:41:43,942 --> 01:41:46,575
Who put this brain 
inside me?

1359
01:41:47,841 --> 01:41:50,103
cry, 
demand,

1360
01:41:50,947 --> 01:41:52,837
He says there is an opportunity.

1361
01:41:53,681 --> 01:41:55,217
He will not say:

1362
01:41:55,317 --> 01:41:56,211
"No."

1363
01:42:31,033 --> 01:42:34,814
Yes, I went into the employment office.
and the guy looked at me, said:

1364
01:42:34,914 --> 01:42:36,509
"Well, what do you want?"

1365
01:42:37,589 --> 01:42:38,484
I told him:

1366
01:42:40,393 --> 01:42:44,410
"I need a job. Shit,
I need a job. That's all. "� 

1367
01:42:44,664 --> 01:42:47,060
He said, "You're hired."
He started laughing.� 

1368
01:42:48,018 --> 01:42:51,596
"Have you lifted heavy weights?"
I told him:

1369
01:42:52,168 --> 01:42:54,025
He used to fight in the ring.� 

1370
01:42:55,594 --> 01:42:58,075
He said, "What?" I said, "Yes."

1371
01:42:58,175 --> 01:43:03,105
I fought a couple of times, six rounds.
or three rounds in Arizona. "� 

1372
01:43:04,100 --> 01:43:07,359
"What is your name?" I said:
"I fought under I don't know what name,

1373
01:43:07,459 --> 01:43:09,788
my promoter called me 
“Kid-something.”

1374
01:43:10,733 --> 01:43:11,577
He said...� 

1375
01:43:11,677 --> 01:43:15,812
He said, "How did you do it?" I said, "I lost."
all the fights." But I told him: "I am strong."

1376
01:43:16,166 --> 01:43:18,023
I was starving.� 

1377
01:43:19,373 --> 01:43:21,229
I had not eaten
in some...� 

1378
01:43:21,987 --> 01:43:24,654
You know, I was trying to� 
be a writer or something.

1379
01:43:25,025 --> 01:43:26,426
I was screwed.� 

1380
01:43:27,202 --> 01:43:29,871
So, he hired me.�
He said, "I like your spirit."

1381
01:43:30,968 --> 01:43:35,339
"I'm going to put you with a lot of"
former Canadian pilots of the war".

1382
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:36,622
I said, "Great."

1383
01:43:37,226 --> 01:43:41,597
"They work with cans of tuna.
They are upper class kids."

1384
01:43:41,866 --> 01:43:45,056
"I can tell that you are upper class."
I said, "Very good, thank you."

1385
01:43:45,781 --> 01:43:49,478
So, I finally showed up with
my little card. I marked.

1386
01:43:49,781 --> 01:43:52,447
There were no ex-pilots
Canadian war.

1387
01:43:52,751 --> 01:43:56,160
They put me with a lot of
two meter blacks,

1388
01:43:56,532 --> 01:43:59,502
shoulders like hangers
and full of hatred for whites.

1389
01:44:00,665 --> 01:44:03,585
One guy said, "Are you Bukowski?"
I said: "Yes." He said:

1390
01:44:04,429 --> 01:44:07,534
"Where are your boots?"
I said, "I have nothing."

1391
01:44:08,058 --> 01:44:12,883
"Put these on. They're your boots." I
I put them in, they were three small numbers.

1392
01:44:13,309 --> 01:44:14,642
This is your hat.� 

1393
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,571
This little hat on my head
It sounded like death.

1394
01:44:18,925 --> 01:44:20,191
I was dying of hunger.� 

1395
01:44:21,101 --> 01:44:24,409
And then he said:
"This is what you do, man."

1396
01:44:24,983 --> 01:44:28,864
And these big pieces of steak,
these sacrificial things happened

1397
01:44:29,404 --> 01:44:33,049
hung on hooks. They passed,
one after the other.

1398
01:44:34,146 --> 01:44:36,560
He said:
"Look what that guy does."

1399
01:44:37,303 --> 01:44:41,790
And shit. You know, I hadn't eaten
good in three weeks. I had to carry

1400
01:44:41,890 --> 01:44:44,022
these huge things in 
my shoulders

1401
01:44:44,562 --> 01:44:46,959
"When that hook stops,
You grab it.”

1402
01:44:47,512 --> 01:44:48,744
So I grabbed it.

1403
01:44:50,616 --> 01:44:54,953
This is what I got for trying 
of being a writer. Hunger and this

1404
01:44:55,358 --> 01:44:57,569
piece of dead ox 
on my shoulder.� 

1405
01:44:57,905 --> 01:45:00,707
And those bones cut
my shoulder

1406
01:45:01,247 --> 01:45:02,530
like knives.� 

1407
01:45:04,909 --> 01:45:09,937
And I grabbed it and it was weak, but everyone
The blacks looked and thought:

1408
01:45:10,970 --> 01:45:13,417
"The white guy can't, 
the white guy

1409
01:45:14,292 --> 01:45:16,823
it's a lazy ass 
because he's white."

1410
01:45:17,650 --> 01:45:20,637
I knew what they were thinking
so I had to do it

1411
01:45:21,548 --> 01:45:26,426
And it's not just that he was white, he was dead
of hunger but they didn't know that part.

1412
01:45:27,201 --> 01:45:29,699
I had to grab it and 
take it to a truck,

1413
01:45:30,931 --> 01:45:33,884
then I had to lift
shoulders like that

1414
01:45:33,984 --> 01:45:37,327
and there was a hook on the truck
Where to put these things.

1415
01:45:38,136 --> 01:45:42,085
And the hook was very sharp,
so you could

1416
01:45:42,997 --> 01:45:47,165
hook this thing there,
like a small knife.

1417
01:45:48,058 --> 01:45:50,067
It's like the extreme 
of your thumb.� 

1418
01:45:50,421 --> 01:45:51,974
So you are very tired

1419
01:45:52,700 --> 01:45:56,193
and you arrive at this thing�
and you try to continue like this.

1420
01:45:56,749 --> 01:45:59,550
will not stand out
because all your effort

1421
01:45:59,922 --> 01:46:04,210
is in raising your shoulder,
you try to hook it

1422
01:46:04,446 --> 01:46:07,938
and you see it passing through the skin.

1423
01:46:08,279 --> 01:46:11,820
There is a big black guy� 
behind you. Well fed,

1424
01:46:12,596 --> 01:46:16,191
strong and young. He is not
worried about writing poems.� 

1425
01:46:16,291 --> 01:46:21,827
He ate a good steak. He fucked.
with his wife.�It is full of eggs and beer.� 

1426
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:25,303
He says, "Come on, man!"
What the hell are you doing there? "� 

1427
01:46:25,909 --> 01:46:26,973
So you go...� 

1428
01:46:28,036 --> 01:46:31,816
And you never beg for mercy.�
That's the worst thing you could do.� 

1429
01:46:32,323 --> 01:46:34,331
Finally, you hook it.

1430
01:46:34,431 --> 01:46:37,705
And you do it again,
and the circle continues.

1431
01:46:38,211 --> 01:46:39,798
Here comes another one.� 

1432
01:46:40,254 --> 01:46:44,068
He hits you, he cuts you again.� 
You say, "Ah... shit."

1433
01:46:44,775 --> 01:46:47,189
I can't fail 
because I'm white.� 

1434
01:46:47,289 --> 01:46:51,172
They think it's just black and white.� 
They don't realize that I'm starving.� 

1435
01:46:51,461 --> 01:46:55,511
I want to write a poem. I want to write
a story.�I want to write a novel.� 

1436
01:46:55,611 --> 01:46:59,106
I don't want to carry this piece
of dead meat on the shoulder.� 

1437
01:46:59,492 --> 01:47:03,188
They only think: black-white,
black-white, white is weak.� 

1438
01:47:04,081 --> 01:47:06,275
I was weak because 
I was dying of hunger.� 

1439
01:47:07,777 --> 01:47:12,233
But still, he had some kind of guts.
I did it for four hours.� 

1440
01:47:13,767 --> 01:47:15,286
Hooking and working.

1441
01:47:16,636 --> 01:47:18,510
And finally

1442
01:47:20,147 --> 01:47:23,826
Guys...no, two hours.�Just� 
It was two hours.�I'm sorry.� 

1443
01:47:24,466 --> 01:47:26,879
And finally someone said:� 
"Coffee break."

1444
01:47:29,816 --> 01:47:32,145
And then the little one 
coffee truck arrived.

1445
01:47:32,245 --> 01:47:35,958
You know, I could see the lights,
I could see the donuts.

1446
01:47:36,230 --> 01:47:38,391
Little sugary cakes.� 

1447
01:47:38,627 --> 01:47:40,602
Hot steam rising.

1448
01:47:40,954 --> 01:47:44,262
It seemed that God himself
He had arrived on four wheels.� 

1449
01:47:44,734 --> 01:47:47,316
With the juice of 
goodness and glory.� 

1450
01:47:47,822 --> 01:47:51,248
I said to myself, "If I can get a cup 
of coffee, I can beat tonight."

1451
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:56,496
Oh, shit. I'm going to beat these guys, who
They think it's just white against black.

1452
01:47:57,340 --> 01:48:02,926
Even though I'm starving, I'm going
to kick their asses with my guts.

1453
01:48:03,633 --> 01:48:08,005
I started to approach the thing 
of coffee. And all the blacks were

1454
01:48:08,460 --> 01:48:11,431
Sorry if this is a story
of blacks and whites, but that's how it is.

1455
01:48:12,341 --> 01:48:15,260
All black workers
They get closer to the thing.

1456
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:17,843
And maybe there was some white
over there.� I didn't see it.� 

1457
01:48:18,855 --> 01:48:22,079
And then I feel this big hand� 
on my shoulder. He tells me:

1458
01:48:23,142 --> 01:48:24,137
"Bukowski."

1459
01:48:25,420 --> 01:48:26,804
"Yeah, what's wrong?"

1460
01:48:27,243 --> 01:48:28,120
He says:

1461
01:48:29,254 --> 01:48:33,169
"Before taking your
coffee break, man... 

1462
01:48:34,250 --> 01:48:36,376
 �I want you to move...� 

1463
01:48:37,216 --> 01:48:42,583
that sector truck 
C-6 to sector C-9".

1464
01:48:45,164 --> 01:48:49,536
And what the hell is this? I don't drive
trucks. I have never driven a truck

1465
01:48:49,636 --> 01:48:52,438
the size of three houses.� 

1466
01:48:54,445 --> 01:48:58,259
I said to myself: "This guy again
It's testing my guts."

1467
01:49:00,234 --> 01:49:02,156
I said, "What am I going to do now?"

1468
01:49:02,578 --> 01:49:06,696
If I had been sensible, but I was
dizzy from hunger. I would have said:

1469
01:49:06,983 --> 01:49:10,173
"I demand my coffee break."
I'll have my coffee. 

1470
01:49:10,459 --> 01:49:12,113
Then I will move your truck."

1471
01:49:12,923 --> 01:49:17,413
But, you know, you're so weakened.
and afraid and so fucked...� 

1472
01:49:18,409 --> 01:49:19,877
I said, "Very good."

1473
01:49:20,669 --> 01:49:25,850
So I went to this huge truck.
He was hungry, weak. Everything� 

1474
01:49:26,323 --> 01:49:31,827
So I climb into this thing I've never driven,
I can't even drive a car, and this was

1475
01:49:32,671 --> 01:49:33,599
 �huge!� 

1476
01:49:35,540 --> 01:49:41,138
So I get on the damn thing, with
my little hat I'm sweaty, sick.

1477
01:49:41,787 --> 01:49:43,694
I'm looking for the ignition key.� 

1478
01:49:44,142 --> 01:49:47,467
I turn it on. I look for the dead point.

1479
01:49:48,024 --> 01:49:51,402
Then I look down.��You know what
What's in those big trucks?

1480
01:49:52,549 --> 01:49:57,208
There is not just one game... of things,� 
You know, like a... reverse.� 

1481
01:49:57,474 --> 01:50:01,051
You have like six games
of pedals there.

1482
01:50:01,493 --> 01:50:03,552
It's incredible. It's like a piano.

1483
01:50:04,177 --> 01:50:08,898
I said, "Well, now what the fuck?" 
do I do? Which of these do I press? "� 

1484
01:50:10,188 --> 01:50:15,159
So I warmed up and pressed one.
I put it in apparent reverse gear.�

1485
01:50:15,567 --> 01:50:19,782
And he let it go and this whole huge thing
He started to back away.

1486
01:50:20,849 --> 01:50:25,440
I said, "Shit, I'm doing it."
That's what I had to do."

1487
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:30,498
So I move this huge,
great truck I spin it

1488
01:50:31,007 --> 01:50:32,105
around.� 

1489
01:50:32,442 --> 01:50:35,699
This was sector six.
I surround it,

1490
01:50:36,202 --> 01:50:38,616
I leave it behind, 
like a real trucker.

1491
01:50:39,424 --> 01:50:41,483
So... I stop it.

1492
01:50:41,872 --> 01:50:43,239
I go back.

1493
01:50:43,730 --> 01:50:46,481
Then I carry again
the damn thing,

1494
01:50:46,819 --> 01:50:49,384
perfectly
to sector 6-C.� 

1495
01:50:53,263 --> 01:50:54,158
So...� 

1496
01:50:55,525 --> 01:50:58,920
I had completely lost 
the last of my energy.

1497
01:50:59,696 --> 01:51:03,071
I said, "Well, I have to go
and have that cup of coffee. "� 

1498
01:51:03,797 --> 01:51:05,468
So, I open the door...� 

1499
01:51:06,256 --> 01:51:10,155
You know, there's a little step that
you must step to go down.

1500
01:51:10,982 --> 01:51:12,602
I saw it, but you know,

1501
01:51:13,243 --> 01:51:15,049
your body is so tired,

1502
01:51:15,404 --> 01:51:18,003
your eyes see the step,
your foot sees it,

1503
01:51:18,423 --> 01:51:20,938
but somehow you miss him.
It's like a mental blackout.

1504
01:51:21,393 --> 01:51:25,714
So he flew from the cabin to
the floor and landed on his back.

1505
01:51:25,814 --> 01:51:27,706
It took everything away from me 
the air of the body.

1506
01:51:29,392 --> 01:51:31,468
I got up, I said: 
"Shit!"

1507
01:51:33,797 --> 01:51:36,970
So I stood up and walked
surrounding the back of the truck.� 

1508
01:51:37,459 --> 01:51:39,484
And, just as I was leaving...� 

1509
01:51:39,838 --> 01:51:42,910
You know, just when I was walking
through the back of the truck

1510
01:51:43,383 --> 01:51:47,993
There the little truck was passing
of the coffee slowly moving away.

1511
01:51:48,448 --> 01:51:50,710
Driving up 
the next floor.

1512
01:51:53,238 --> 01:51:56,983
So I left. I walked.
to where I was working.� 

1513
01:51:57,083 --> 01:52:00,261
The guy says, "Okay, Bukowski.� 
"Ready to get back to work?"

1514
01:52:01,810 --> 01:52:05,050
I didn't say anything.
I just left.

1515
01:52:05,707 --> 01:52:09,758
I walked. There is a small place
where do you go when

1516
01:52:11,158 --> 01:52:12,222
you enter.

1517
01:52:13,234 --> 01:52:16,070
I had my hat,
my little tin hat.

1518
01:52:17,318 --> 01:52:20,238
And there was the guy
of the guard.

1519
01:52:20,338 --> 01:52:23,225
I take off my hat.
He says to me: "What are you doing?"

1520
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:25,453
I told him, "I quit."

1521
01:52:27,089 --> 01:52:27,983
He said:

1522
01:52:28,895 --> 01:52:32,287
"Where do we send your payment?"
I said, "Forget it."

1523
01:52:33,165 --> 01:52:34,160
"Keep it."

1524
01:52:34,498 --> 01:52:36,167
That was it, I left.

1525
01:52:38,328 --> 01:52:41,399
I did all that damn work.
Station� 

1526
01:52:42,209 --> 01:52:43,914
I didn't get anything

1527
01:52:44,317 --> 01:52:45,651
I'm an idiot.� 

1528
01:52:46,427 --> 01:52:48,925
What they were doing, 
It was testing my courage.

1529
01:52:49,025 --> 01:52:53,195
But they didn't realize that
my body was so weak. could

1530
01:52:53,734 --> 01:52:55,489
having met all his challenges.

1531
01:52:56,721 --> 01:53:00,653
Since I was dying of hunger and
I hated that they challenged me 

1532
01:53:00,753 --> 01:53:02,139
just for being white.� 

1533
01:53:02,425 --> 01:53:06,275
They didn't understand that white people also
They starve or go crazy.

1534
01:53:08,621 --> 01:53:12,571
So, this is a statement 
anti-blacks.�They didn't treat me very well.� 

1535
01:53:13,292 --> 01:53:17,005
Likewise, later in the factories,� 
I met some good guys.

1536
01:53:18,052 --> 01:53:19,908
That was a bad experience.� 

1537
01:53:21,697 --> 01:53:23,554
That's all.� 
Now I have to pee.�